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Lets keep it simple please ladies and gentlemen and crossbetweens.

Please state which Surah (chapter) the Ayah (verse) is within. Then please quote the whole Ayah (verse).

Then if you would like to explain your understanding of the Ayah.

I look forward to reading your responses.
 
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My apologies I forgot forum I was in. I will start it again in the 'Culture' forum. My bad people, most sincere apologies.
 
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OOooooooookkkkayyyy. Looks like we have to keep the discussion here folks.
 
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OOooooooookkkkayyyy. Looks like we have to keep the discussion here folks.


I will have a bash - LOL

Surah 18:89-98 - Alexander the Great was a devout Muslim and lived to a ripe old age?

Alexander the Great died young at 33 years of age (b. 356 B.C. - d. 323 B.C.)
 
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OOooooooookkkkayyyy. Looks like we have to keep the discussion here folks.


Surah 20:90-100 Samaritan helped the Israelites build the golden calf - and it mooed after coming out of the fire.

Samaritans did not exist as a people until at least 1000 years after the time of the 'Moses and the Israelite' exodus from Egypt.
 
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Originally posted by Yuze:
Lets keep it simple please ladies and gentlemen and crossbetweens.

Please state which Surah (chapter) the Ayah (verse) is within. Then please quote the whole Ayah (verse).

Then if you would like to explain your understanding of the Ayah.

I look forward to reading your responses.


Surah 7:120-125 Pharaoh used 'crucifixion' in dealing with the sorcerers!

Historical evidence gives no precedent to before the Babylonian Empire.
 
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OOooooooookkkkayyyy. Looks like we have to keep the discussion here folks.


I will have a bash - LOL

Surah 18:89-98 - Alexander the Great was a devout Muslim and lived to a ripe old age?

Alexander the Great died young at 33 years of age (b. 356 B.C. - d. 323 B.C.)


Please quote the entire Ayah (verse). Not just the line you are talking about. Just so we can be more accurate, is that okay my friend?

The reason I'm saying this is shown by the fact that in Surah Al-Kahf/18 Verses 89-98 says nothing about Alexander the Great dying at 33 years of age.
 
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But hey!
The Koran is free from discrepancies and this is proof that the Koran is from God since - Sura 4:82 states:


Do they not ponder on the Qur'an?
Had it been from other than Allah,
they would surely have found therein much discrepancy.
 
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Please quote the entire Ayah (verse). Not just the line you are talking about. Just so we can be more accurate, is that okay my friend?

The reason I'm saying this is shown by the fact that in Surah Al-Kahf/18 Verses 89-98 says nothing about Alexander the Great dying at 33 years of age.


Are you saying it says Alexander did not live long and died at 33 as he did?

What are you saying?
 
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OOooooooookkkkayyyy. Looks like we have to keep the discussion here folks.


Surah 20:90-100 Samaritan helped the Israelites build the golden calf - and it mooed after coming out of the fire.

Samaritans did not exist as a people until at least 1000 years after the time of the 'Moses and the Israelite' exodus from Egypt.


Again Surah Ta Ha/20 Verses 90-100 says nothing about this.
 
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Again Surah Ta Ha/20 Verses 90-100 says nothing about this.


So unlike all known scholars you deny this is even reference to Alexander the Great - who is reveared as a Muslim?
 
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Lets keep it simple please ladies and gentlemen and crossbetweens.

Please state which Surah (chapter) the Ayah (verse) is within. Then please quote the whole Ayah (verse).

Then if you would like to explain your understanding of the Ayah.

I look forward to reading your responses.


Surah 7:120-125 Pharaoh used 'crucifixion' in dealing with the sorcerers!

Historical evidence gives no precedent to before the Babylonian Empire.


Surah al A'raf/7 Verse124: "I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides; then I will surely crucify you."

So if you read this properly he threatens to crucify. And if you continue the story you will find it doesn't state that they were crucified.
 
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Surah 7:120-125 Pharaoh used 'crucifixion' in dealing with the sorcerers!

Historical evidence gives no precedent to before the Babylonian Empire.


Surah al A'raf/7 Verse124: "I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides; then I will surely crucify you."

So if you read this properly he threatens to crucify. And if you continue the story you will find it doesn't state that they were crucified.[/QUOTE]

Does it or does it not mention 'crucifiction' a concept not used for over a 100 years?
 
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sorry a 1000 years after the event?
 
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There are seven heavens one above the other [
67:3, 71:15] and that the stars are in the lower heaven
[67:5, 37:6, 41:12]
but the moon is depicted as being in/inside the seven heavens [71:16]
even though in reality the stars are much further away from the earth than the moon.

This is supposed to be the word of God?
 
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In surat Maryam Aya - 25 where the verse asks Maryam " And shake toward thyself the trunk of the palm tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee."

Hello - have you ever seen a palm tree?

I doubt if the incredible hulk could shake one!
 
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Sura 51:49 claims that everything is created in pairs?

But this is not true!

There are quite a number of things that have no counterpart and species where only one gender exists.

Surely God the creator would know this?
 
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Qur'an 2:116 They say : "Allah has begotten a Son". Glory be to Him! His is what the heavens and the earth contain; all things are obedient to Him. Creator of the heavens and the earth! When he decrees a thing, He need only say "Be", and it is.

Erm I have a tiny problem with this - just whom says "Allah has begotten a Son"

Who???
 
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Again Surah Ta Ha/20 Verses 90-100 says nothing about this.


So unlike all known scholars you deny this is even reference to Alexander the Great - who is reveared as a Muslim?


Surah Ta Ha/20 Ayah(verses) 90-100:

90: And Aaron had already told them (before the return of Moses), "O my people, you are only being tested by it, and indeed, your Lord is the Most Merciful, so follow me and obey my order."

91: They said, "We will never cease being devoted to it (ie. the calf) until Moses returns to us."

92: (Moses) said, "O Aaron, what prevented you, when you saw them going astray,

93: From following me? Then have you disobeyed my order?"

94: (Aaron) said, "O son of my mother, do not seize (me) by my beard or by my head. Indeed, I feared that you would say, 'You caused division among the Children of Israel, and you did not observe (or await) my word.'"

95: (Moses) said, "And what is your case, O Samiri?"

96: He said, "I saw what they did not see, so I took a handful (of dust) from the track of the messenger and threw it, and thus did my soul entice me."

97: (Moses) said, "Then go. And indeed, it is (decreed) for you in (this) life to say, 'No contact.' And indeed, you have an appointment (in the Hereafter) you will not fail to keep. And look at your 'god' to which you remaind devoted. We will surely burn and blow it (ie. in ashes) into the sea with a blast.

98: Your god is only Allah, except for whom there is no deity. He has encompassed all things in knowledge."

99: Thus, (O Muhammad), We relate to you from the news of what has preceded. And We have certainly given you from Us a message (ie. the Qur'an).

100. Whoever turns away from it - then indeed, he will bear on the Day of Resurrection a burden (ie. great sin).



Please tell me which part Alexander the Great died at a ripe old age in.
 
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Surah 7:120-125 Pharaoh used 'crucifixion' in dealing with the sorcerers!

Historical evidence gives no precedent to before the Babylonian Empire.


Surah al A'raf/7 Verse124: "I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides; then I will surely crucify you."

So if you read this properly he threatens to crucify. And if you continue the story you will find it doesn't state that they were crucified.


Does it or does it not mention 'crucifiction' a concept not used for over a 100 years?[/QUOTE]

Which shows us that he did not carry out this crucifiction. Otherwise this concept would have been used 1000 years before history documents to have been used. Razz
 
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Surah Ta Ha/20 Ayah(verses) 90-100:

90: And Aaron had already told them (before the return of Moses), "O my people, you are only being tested by it, and indeed, your Lord is the Most Merciful, so follow me and obey my order."

91: They said, "We will never cease being devoted to it (ie. the calf) until Moses returns to us."

92: (Moses) said, "O Aaron, what prevented you, when you saw them going astray,

93: From following me? Then have you disobeyed my order?"

94: (Aaron) said, "O son of my mother, do not seize (me) by my beard or by my head. Indeed, I feared that you would say, 'You caused division among the Children of Israel, and you did not observe (or await) my word.'"

95: (Moses) said, "And what is your case, O Samiri?"

96: He said, "I saw what they did not see, so I took a handful (of dust) from the track of the messenger and threw it, and thus did my soul entice me."

97: (Moses) said, "Then go. And indeed, it is (decreed) for you in (this) life to say, 'No contact.' And indeed, you have an appointment (in the Hereafter) you will not fail to keep. And look at your 'god' to which you remaind devoted. We will surely burn and blow it (ie. in ashes) into the sea with a blast.

98: Your god is only Allah, except for whom there is no deity. He has encompassed all things in knowledge."

99: Thus, (O Muhammad), We relate to you from the news of what has preceded. And We have certainly given you from Us a message (ie. the Qur'an).

100. Whoever turns away from it - then indeed, he will bear on the Day of Resurrection a burden (ie. great sin).



Please tell me which part Alexander the Great died at a ripe old age in.


Hey I gave you the link - unfortunately this moderation will not allow pasting (unless it is you ?) - are you denying the Muslim who your brethren so admire is not mentioned in the passages I point out?

Are you saying that is 'not' Alexander the Great at the Gates?

What exactly are you saying?
 
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Which shows us that he did not carry out this crucifiction. Otherwise this concept would have been used 1000 years before history documents to have been used. Razz


Are you now re-writing history to suit?

Let me get this right - they knew how to threaten to crucify but never would because it was not invented yet?

ROFL
 
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May I kindly ask you to quote the whole verse not just the sentence that you think you have found contradiction. Quote the whole verse please.

Never was it stated that the stars were beyond the heavens. If you read closely they referred to as being like lamps near the lowest heaven.

As for Surah 2:16 this is referring to what the Christians say, not what the Muslims believe.

Please actually pick up a Qur'an and find the contradictions instead of using an internet site as your reference. Funnily enough they don't provide you with the whole Ayah's.
 
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