Everything about the end seemed extremely dodgy. Once they heard what role they had to play I reckon they all agreed to go for tigers before Joseph and Sarah arrived on island. Sarah the twin and Brie especially were Sharks before and Brie had no hesitation in choosing Tigers. What happened on Tiger island over the last few days to change her mind. also Sarah Sole seemed to sum it up at the end. She wanted to choose sharks but knew everyone else had chosen Tigers which I think broke her hand. I lost a lot of respect for bthe hawks and even they were sheepish about decision on channel 4 on sunday not really denying what they did. No integrity with a lot of them, just mercenary sheep

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Originally posted by damianito:
Everything about the end seemed extremely dodgy. Once they heard what role they had to play I reckon they all agreed to go for tigers before Joseph and Sarah arrived on island. Sarah the twin and Brie especially were Sharks before and Brie had no hesitation in choosing Tigers. What happened on Tiger island over the last few days to change her mind. also Sarah Sole seemed to sum it up at the end. She wanted to choose sharks but knew everyone else had chosen Tigers which I think broke her hand. I lost a lot of respect for bthe hawks and even they were sheepish about decision on channel 4 on sunday not really denying what they did. No integrity with a lot of them, just mercenary sheep

Nick, Char and James had never been on Tiger island so could give no guidance. Twin Sarah a Shark? The Island gave her bad vibes. However there is a suspicion that the twins agreed to split the money between them.

Brie became 100% Tiger after her first week on Hawk Island - go read her diary

While Lottie says the vote was taken in isolation I suspect some collusion beforehand (on Shark Island) because of the margin. Surely some of the Hawks must have thought that a 13-9 lead was too big to overcome and would have wanted a slice of the winnings?

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Originally posted by damianito:
Everything about the end seemed extremely dodgy. Once they heard what role they had to play I reckon they all agreed to go for tigers before Joseph and Sarah arrived on island. Sarah the twin and Brie especially were Sharks before and Brie had no hesitation in choosing Tigers. What happened on Tiger island over the last few days to change her mind. also Sarah Sole seemed to sum it up at the end. She wanted to choose sharks but knew everyone else had chosen Tigers which I think broke her hand. I lost a lot of respect for bthe hawks and even they were sheepish about decision on channel 4 on sunday not really denying what they did. No integrity with a lot of them, just mercenary sheep

Nick, Char and James had never been on Tiger island so could give no guidance. Twin Sarah a Shark? The Island gave her bad vibes. However there is a suspicion that the twins agreed to split the money between them.

Brie became 100% Tiger after her first week on Hawk Island - go read her diary

While Lottie says the vote was taken in isolation I suspect some collusion beforehand (on Shark Island) because of the margin. Surely some of the Hawks must have thought that a 13-9 lead was too big to overcome and would have wanted a slice of the winnings?

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Surely, if the Hawks motives were mercenary, they would have gone with the Sharks as they were 4 ahead. For the Hawks in particular I would suggest Shipwrecked was much more about the experience than the game, or the money. Anyone who suggests a plot sounds like a bad loser Shark to me. It is certailnly the sort of thing we might have expected from Tom. What I do think is that all you Shark sympathisers are struggling to come to terms with the virtual complete rejection of your tribe by the Hawks. Even original James chose the Tigers, and surely no-one could doubt his integrity.

Rowan had already chosen loyalty over self gain, so i'm sure he chose tigers for only that reason, not the money.

I ought to point that I'm a Tiger supporter not a shark sympathizer and I'm glad the Tigers won. I was just surprised at the size of the majority.

The simplest explanation is that there were too many people living on Shark Island. 13 Sharks plus 7 Hawks must have taken up a lot of hut space unless people were sleeping on the beach. On Tiger Island the quarters would be much less cramped, having just lost Keris, Rebecca and the three new arrivals there would be plenty of space for the 6 Hawks boys

I thought that Jonathan might have nominated to the Sharks (he had a massive row with Vicky which was one of the reasons Rebecca nominated)

For the hawks to go to the losing tribe would have meant more money for them than go to the sharks. In fairness to some hawks like Char and Rowan they were always going to choose the tigers but others in the group just went for the money

When it was announced that the Hawks would decide the outcome, I had a sneaking suspicion that the Tigers, despite their deficit, would win. Whilst nothing can be certain, the fact was that the Hawks would always have been more likely to be attracted to the Tigers because of their stronger work ethic and closer team identity.
And so it proved. The fact that all but one chose Tigers just underlines the fact that there was this shared ethos between the two teams.

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Originally posted by damianito:
For the hawks to go to the losing tribe would have meant more money for them than go to the sharks. In fairness to some hawks like Char and Rowan they were always going to choose the tigers but others in the group just went for the money

Do you think it would have been better if:

1. The Hawks hadn't known about their role in advance, and were suddenly whisked off Hawk Island, then put on the spot at the final beach party.

2. The Hawks had been told that as they had previously been rejected, they did not stand to win any of the money.

Maybe, guess it would have been an idea if they just sprung it on them in the last minute without them having a chance to discuss it but then it would have depended on who went first. I probably would have done the same thing myself but just don't think it was fair and also very harsh especially on the sharks who did get picked iniatially who had no 2nd choice

Maybe they could have let them know what role thay had last minute but then I guess it all depended on which way the 1st vote went, In fairness I do think some hawks were genuine like Char, Nick and Rowan who I felt were Tigers but others I'm sorry just don't convince me. I just feel its unfair and harsh especially on the sharks who were iniatially picked.

I thought the whole idea of the twist was poor.
Basically, with 13 people choosing in the final week, it meant the previous 13 weeks were unimportant.

Hopefully next year, the producers will find a way of keeping the competition close and exciting, without it being obvious to the viewer that that's what they're doing.
Then in the final week they can have a twist which will have some bearing, but not render the rest of the competition pointless. (E.g. like last year, when there were 2 votes to win - big difference to 13).

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In fairness I do think some hawks were genuine like Char, Nick and Rowan who I felt were Tigers but others I'm sorry just don't convince me.

That's fair enough - and I agree, I'd be amazed if the money didn't play at least some part in the decision of some of the Hawks. I just think that there are plenty of other reasons why they COULD have chosen Tigers, which is why I felt it was unfair to single people out.

As for being harsh on the sharks, I have mixed feelings to be honest. Take the obvious case of Adelina, for example. Yes, they won her originally which I suppose makes it harsh. But the fact that they did so using dirty tactics (Tom implying they'd pick her, then doing the dirty on her) also makes it feel like justice was done in the end.

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Originally posted by damianito:
Maybe they could have let them know what role thay had last minute but then I guess it all depended on which way the 1st vote went, In fairness I do think some hawks were genuine like Char, Nick and Rowan who I felt were Tigers but others I'm sorry just don't convince me. I just feel its unfair and harsh especially on the sharks who were iniatially picked.

I think you are right. I thought that the Tigers were going to get at least 8 votes, but 12!!

We don't know exactly what went on and what prompted the mass Tiger vote...was it revenge, protest, whatever?? Maybe the two camps reaction to their return was a telling factor. I doubt a Shipwrecker is likely to divulge on here exactly why...

Though I personally preferred the Tigers(and the Hawks that were genuine Tigers)I do think that the Sharks were hard done by. That ending was not fair on them.

In the Hawkes position I would have chosen Tigers as I would have got a higher share of money because there were less Tigers. Although the money was not the main thing for most of the islanders it is always useful, especially to young people who were in low paid jobs and students. It would have meant some would be able to travel etc.

I think that the producers should have taken half the Hawkes away on one week and not told them where they were going until they arrived on one or other of the islands. This way they would not have been able to communicate which island they would like to each other. Then the second week the other half of the Hawkes should come and decide. This way not all of them could choose an island together and it would have meant that each one really picked the place they liked the best.

ive said this on another thread but i'll say it again, the mercinary tag has no real basis as:

'the prize money (100 grand) split between them all doesn't constitute that much. if all picked the sharks they would have won 3.9g, as it transpired they each won 4.7g. so your saying they became mercenaries for 800 quid, WOW-WEE!!!'

other than that i reckon pipster01 makes a GREAT point about the adelina scenario. to get matt over to the tigers it was tom's idea so that he could switch islands himself, a trick he used again on adelina, as someone has said before me the third island program never showed how the hawks reacted to the news from the main islands, mike will have been aware of the matt promise, and everyone will have been aware that adelina was promised a place (by the very person whose idea got rid of mike) but was then promptly rejected. maybe these thoughts purged on by dannys 'tigers dont deserve anything' comments spurred the hawks on to choosing the tigers.

Yousayisay...if you were on 3.9G per month and you got a pay rise of 4.7G per month, you would be jumping for joy wouldn't you.That alone was enough incentive to buy Hawks votes. The way the Hawks were divided was contrieved. Sending the boys over to Tigers first gave them the opportunity to smooth thinhs over and let bygone be bygone. Sending the girls over to Shark was to ensure that the resentment of rejection prevails. Since when did girls know how to smooth over things? Bunny boilers was exclusively coined for girls.Think about it....most of the hawk boys were rejected by the tigers and most of the girls by the Sharks. The producers knew exactly how it was going to play out

The only way to really see Hawks pick the side they really wanted, would have been to take them away privately and make their decision, without knowing what the others have said. That would have been the only fair way, as no one could do it for the money as they wouldn't have any idea of what the scores would be.
To be honest I don't know why they didn't do it like this.
Can you honestly say that if you are one of the last to choose, are you really going to pick the losing team and not get any money, especially when it got to the point where the Sharks couldn't win anymore....

Lottie has said before and repeated on another thread today that they had to vote in private in the hutcam. The way it was shown was the editors decision for best effect.ie Sarah who was shown as not sure who to vote for made the winning vote

If they want the money there would have picked the sharks as they only need 5 votes whereas the Tigers is more of a gamble as they got to get at least 9 votes. So I am sure most of them genuinely prefer the Tigers.