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quote: Originally posted by willowthewisp:
I am seriously done with this show now.
The departure of Steve and Fiona was enough last year, but now we have to lose, Kev, Veronica, Martyy, Sue, tony AND Sheila.
That is too many for me.
AND what the hell is it wioth Frank and Monica getting back together?? The whole point of the show was that the kids looked after themselves, it just doesn't work like this for me. And as a huge fan of this show I have to say I am devastated that it has become so poor. They shouldn't have made a fourth series. In fact they should have left it at 2.
Very well said mate, im also devastated about Kev, Veronica, Martyy, Sue, tony & Sheila. I couldnt believe my ears/eyes when sheila left  frank and monica getting back together is pointless!
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i can see how you've come to that conclusion, but the same applies i'd say so early on: give it a chance! It has been the same storyline through so far, but now frank's chosen etc. its ok. I wouldn't balme the writers for the departed cast. Shelia leaving was aweful though, and even more so than any others of the departing cast, although she left the house? so who will live there? Karen maybe? But as someone else said earlier on in another discussion, the writers have done well without steve and fiona, and essentially, in my opinion they are going to work wonders by the end of the series. The new characters will 'bed' themselves in, and all will be shameless again. Keep the faith. Maybe you havn't watched epi 3 yet...it was awesome !Monica isnt the most aimiable character, but thts supposed to be like that i think. The maguires will soften up, and even if they dont, there is much comedy top be squeezed out of them. The kids are growing older, so the idea of functioning without the parents gives a fresh idea, and approach.
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im confident channel 4 will have so many twists an turns this series so dont give up hope yet i do share your feelings about the depatures of K/V/sheila steve fiona wasnt that bad im sure the show will pic up the further we go into the series
you would have to be completly shameless to miss an episode of the new series of shameless
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quote: Originally posted by willowthewisp:
I am seriously done with this show now.
The departure of Steve and Fiona was enough last year, but now we have to lose, Kev, Veronica, Martyy, Sue, tony AND Sheila.
That is too many for me.
AND what the hell is it wioth Frank and Monica getting back together?? The whole point of the show was that the kids looked after themselves, it just doesn't work like this for me. And as a huge fan of this show I have to say I am devastated that it has become so poor. They shouldn't have made a fourth series. In fact they should have left it at 2.
I noticed your attitude towards Shameless was consistantely negative throughout the third series aswell, it would seem you simply cannot get over the departure of Steve and Fiona and can't bring yourself to enjoy it without them. I put it to you that your nothing more than a glorified James McAvoy fanatic who needs to get the hell over him. Shameless was NEVER just about Steve and Fiona, they were NEVER the 'stars' of the show nor where they EVER more important to it than anyone else. I really wish self glorified McAvoy fans like yourself would just do us all a favour and piss off and let us true Shameless fans enjoy the show, your critism is not needed, you just spout complete bull and put the rest of the cast and writers down, get the hell over yourself love! Paul Abbott cannot help it when delusional, hypocritical morons randomly walk out on the show for ridiculious reasons, he has no control over that. I'm not aiming that stuff at McAvoy cause he went onto big things, but it's mainly aimed at Dean Lennox Kelly, Maxine Peake & Anne Marie Duff. Why should he prematurely end a show he's probably been desperate to get commishioned for his entire life just because some arrogant ungracious actors walk out on it? Simple answer is he shouldn't, people who want it ended are selfish disrespetful gits who should have pissed off from watching at the second series rather than coming back and hounding the remaining cast and complaining its gown 'down hill' |
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quote: Originally posted by PSX: quote: Originally posted by willowthewisp:
I am seriously done with this show now.
The departure of Steve and Fiona was enough last year, but now we have to lose, Kev, Veronica, Martyy, Sue, tony AND Sheila.
That is too many for me.
AND what the hell is it wioth Frank and Monica getting back together?? The whole point of the show was that the kids looked after themselves, it just doesn't work like this for me. And as a huge fan of this show I have to say I am devastated that it has become so poor. They shouldn't have made a fourth series. In fact they should have left it at 2.
I noticed your attitude towards Shameless was consistantely negative throughout the third series aswell, it would seem you simply cannot get over the departure of Steve and Fiona and can't bring yourself to enjoy it without them. I put it to you that your nothing more than a glorified James McAvoy fanatic who needs to get the hell over him. Shameless was NEVER just about Steve and Fiona, they were NEVER the 'stars' of the show nor where they EVER more important to it than anyone else. I really wish self glorified McAvoy fans like yourself would just do us all a favour and piss off and let us true Shameless fans enjoy the show, your critism is not needed, you just spout complete bull and put the rest of the cast and writers down, get the hell over yourself love! Paul Abbott cannot help it when delusional, hypocritical morons randomly walk out on the show for ridiculious reasons, he has no control over that. I'm not aiming that stuff at McAvoy cause he went onto big things, but it's mainly aimed at Dean Lennox Kelly, Maxine Peake & Anne Marie Duff. Why should he prematurely end a show he's probably been desperate to get commishioned for his entire life just because some arrogant ungracious actors walk out on it? Simple answer is he shouldn't, people who want it ended are selfish disrespetful gits who should have pissed off from watching at the second series rather than coming back and hounding the remaining cast and complaining its gown 'down hill'
I am not a James Mcavoy fan. Last year I said that I wasn't bothered by the departure of Steve, as he left halfway through series 2. It was Fiona that I missed, but by the end of the 3rd series they ended up having a few good episodes. Just because I am willing to admit that the show aint what it was, gives you no right to start name calling. I suggest you get a life!! |
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tell me about it. i am a huge fan of the show, and i was a huge fan of bad girls. bad girls was so good wen it first started then no originals was in it. it so depressing!
xiloveshamelessx 4eva n eva n eva ......
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Your comments are consistently negative and cited with no good justification. You state that it should simply have ended at Series 2 and it would appear that the only justification you give for such a ridiculious suggestion is the departure of Steve and Fiona, your comments throughout the third series and now the fourth suggest that the real reason you do not enjoy Shameless anymore is because the Steve and Fiona love story has been taken out of the equation. You deny this, but its blatently clear to any objective person that this is the only reason you and "many others" no longer enjoy the show.
You write off two years work by the rest of the cast as 'rubbish' and in turn insult every single one of them aswell as the writers and Paul Abbott for approving the storylines, so yes your attitude sucks!
Your entitled to your opinon, like i am mine and in my opinion (which is gathered from reading your comments) the only reason you don't like Shameless anymore is because you where only interested in the Steve and Fiona love story, now that its gone you where never realistically going to like the show without them in it so at least be honest about it and stop denying the real reason you don't like it anymore rather than concuting utter bull to justify your slating of the show.
I liked Steve and Fiona, but they where not that important to the quality of the show. The essential characters where and always will be the Gallagher family, so far we've only lost one direct member of the family, whom it could be argued had no real place in the show anymore anyway. What would have happened if Fiona had remained and Steve had gone himself? It would have been the same old repetative Shameless storyline every episode: Gallaghers get into trouble and Fiona comes to the rescue. Thankfully this isn't the case now and the show continues to progress and change, which is essential to any drama but it still continues to focus mainly on the lives of the Gallaghers and people they know.
The cast departures have been high, but nowhere near as Bad Girls or Teachers as some have suggested. I used to watch a popular football drama where the writers ridculiously killed off the entire cast in one episode then brought it back for another series starting from sractch, the viewing figures went through the floor because of this and it's now been axed just two years on from that episode. Those shows might aswell have been completely new shows, because very few of the origonal cast were kept on. To quote Shameless in the same sentance as those shows is ridiculious, those shows basically lost their entire casts, Shameless still has the majority of it's so get abit of perspective before comparing it to these shows.
I apologise for any offense caused by my previous post, my attitude may also have 'sucked' and i shouldn't have resorted to name calling but then i'm not the person dismissing the entire show as rubbish that should have ended two years ago just two weeks after giving it praise and claiming 'its back on top'. You seem to change your opinion more than the weather and go over the top whenever you don't like any episode.
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quote: Originally posted by PSX:
You seem to change your opinion more than the weather and go over the top whenever you don't like any episode.
Sadly that tends to happen alot on here and it could be argued that it's one of the reasons why we lost more cast members after the third series. If you notice after each episode goes out on Channel 4 there are hundreds of guests on this forum. I've no doubt that some of those guests are writers and cast of the show, because naturally they will want to gage viewer / fan opinion on the series by reading their comments. Most actors will claim they never visit fan forums, but they all do. So when they come on here and see people branding entire series of the show 'appauling' or 'rubbish' it could easily influence wether they choose to continue their role in the next series. Some people never consider this before commenting, yet rather ironically they tend to be the very people who will come back next year and complain about how cast departures are ruining the show. Thankfully cast of the Gallagher family seem to be thick skinned and level headed enough not to be concerned by the over the top, irrational and unjustified nonsense these people spew out. They also seem to appreciate how good Shameless is and how lucky they are to be a part of it. They are probably already be well aware that it's British tradition to slate any programme than runs longer than 2 series and no matter how good it is in future series it will never again get the credit it's due from the critics. This is just the way of the industry and is no reflection on them or the true quality of the programme. I read somewhere (think it was the guardian) that they all want to do at least two more series of Shameless both of which could potentially be sixteen episodes long each. Hopefully the criticism the fourth series gets will not change their minds. Hopefully they'll just cling to the fact that at least three million people tune in every week to watch Shameless and the majority of them do so because they love the show, apreciate their work and want them to continue. It would also help if people on here gave constructive criticism rather than going psychotically over the top and screaming for it to be ended everytime they don't happen to enjoy an episode. The longer actors and writers continue to pander to these people and prematurely end programmes the worse the British T.V industry is going to become. It's already in a complete state, soon the standard length of a British drama series will be four episodes. It's already unambitious enough for god sake! Ah well, i suppose once we've ruined the British T.V drama industry completely we can look forward to nightly six hour episodes of Cirque de celebrity with Ruby wax, primetime Make Your Play on ITV, fifteen hour marathons of Friends repeats and the repeating to death of 'quality' British T.V shows that lasted for for six-twelve episodes. |
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quote: Originally posted by PSX:
Your comments are consistently negative and cited with no good justification. You state that it should simply have ended at Series 2 and it would appear that the only justification you give for such a ridiculious suggestion is the departure of Steve and Fiona, your comments throughout the third series and now the fourth suggest that the real reason you do not enjoy Shameless anymore is because the Steve and Fiona love story has been taken out of the equation. You deny this, but its blatently clear to any objective person that this is the only reason you and "many others" no longer enjoy the show.
You write off two years work by the rest of the cast as 'rubbish' and in turn insult every single one of them aswell as the writers and Paul Abbott for approving the storylines, so yes your attitude sucks!
Your entitled to your opinon, like i am mine and in my opinion (which is gathered from reading your comments) the only reason you don't like Shameless anymore is because you where only interested in the Steve and Fiona love story, now that its gone you where never realistically going to like the show without them in it so at least be honest about it and stop denying the real reason you don't like it anymore rather than concuting utter bull to justify your slating of the show.
I liked Steve and Fiona, but they where not that important to the quality of the show. The essential characters where and always will be the Gallagher family, so far we've only lost one direct member of the family, whom it could be argued had no real place in the show anymore anyway. What would have happened if Fiona had remained and Steve had gone himself? It would have been the same old repetative Shameless storyline every episode: Gallaghers get into trouble and Fiona comes to the rescue. Thankfully this isn't the case now and the show continues to progress and change, which is essential to any drama but it still continues to focus mainly on the lives of the Gallaghers and people they know.
The cast departures have been high, but nowhere near as Bad Girls or Teachers as some have suggested. I used to watch a popular football drama where the writers ridculiously killed off the entire cast in one episode then brought it back for another series starting from sractch, the viewing figures went through the floor because of this and it's now been axed just two years on from that episode. Those shows might aswell have been completely new shows, because very few of the origonal cast were kept on. To quote Shameless in the same sentance as those shows is ridiculious, those shows basically lost their entire casts, Shameless still has the majority of it's so get abit of perspective before comparing it to these shows.
I apologise for any offense caused by my previous post, my attitude may also have 'sucked' and i shouldn't have resorted to name calling but then i'm not the person dismissing the entire show as rubbish that should have ended two years ago just two weeks after giving it praise and claiming 'its back on top'. You seem to change your opinion more than the weather and go over the top whenever you don't like any episode.
The reason that it went down wasn't the departure of Steve, but the first few ep's of S3 (FOR ME!!) were not very good. Then there were good ep's like the last one and the one where Kev's mother died, but now with the reintroduction of Monica, the whole balance of the show seems to have changed. I would personally rather have seen them bring back Fiona as another actress. |
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The whole balance of the show has changed ! of course it is bound to, all characters are different, and Monica is not the most likeable. However, all i think is that by episode three things have calmed down a little, the basic plot is settled and now the episodes about the children (and things like Kevs mum) will be back in the shameless repetoire. The way that Shelia's leaving was written was amazing, very emotional. I think its understandable to be scepticle quickly, but watch it again in a years time...
Also the comment about other TV on at the moment...very true. Shameless is the only decent series on television ! i really think that, barring a few exceptions.
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Calm down people, Shameless has changed, is changing and will change more.Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.People will always get upset when characters that have been with the show from the start leave, but you cant expect actors to not let there careers progress. To slag Ann Marie, Dean or anyone else off for this is grossly unfair.
I have to say watching episode 3 last night I thought it was back to its brilliant funny best, new characters, new families but funny. Yes it has dipped in places over the 3 full series so far, but so does every drama that is on for more than one series.
Go with it, except it for what it is and have a laugh, OR switch off.
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ill never switch off shameless!! its the best thing on tv, just abit disapointing seeing the regulars leave, Im starting to like this maguire storyline!
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although i dont think some of the storylines are as stong as the earlier ones i still love shaeless. The story lines have to change as the kids get older and characters grow and change, you get to see different sides to them. I must say i'm as hooked to it han ever. nothing to do with the arrival of the goooorgeous Jamie McGuire.... Honest  BTW how can Aaron McCusker (who lays jamie McGuire) not hae some type of fan base or at least a picture on the internet?! |
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