Certainly against Pakistan. It is sad that a man with such limited skills can humiliate the Pak bowling. Although the man should have walked after edging Sami in the opening session.
Originally posted by little_master: Certainly against Pakistan. It is sad that a man with such limited skills can humiliate the Pak bowling.
Wouldn't it be more positive to say that a less talented guy can, through years of application, sacrifice, hard work and dilligence, still gloriously succeed?
Originally posted by little_master: Certainly against Pakistan. It is sad that a man with such limited skills can humiliate the Pak bowling. Although the man should have walked after edging Sami in the opening session.
Collingwood is a player of immense dedication and application. He will score more runs than many players with twice his ability. Any success that comes his way should be applauded, not sneered at.
Originally posted by little_master: Certainly against Pakistan. It is sad that a man with such limited skills can humiliate the Pak bowling.
Wouldn't it be more positive to say that a less talented guy can, through years of application, sacrifice, hard work and dilligence, still gloriously succeed?
That's a good point! We all were laughing at him after the Multan test match, but guess who got the last laugh?
Originally posted by little_master: Its fallacy to suggest he is somehow a major talent. Its a case of plundering a very poor attack.
Look at the replies to your original post - no-one is saying that Colly is a major talent, but that he has got where he is through hard graft, and that he may well end up with a more successful test career than some players of greater natural ability.
One admires the effort he puts in, but at the same time one has to wonder about an attack that cannot dislodge the likes of him. I am a avid fan, but even I must show displeasure at such a weak Pak attack. In the last 30 years, we have not fielded a side so weak in the pace bowling department.
This is a seam attack on par with the Indian attacks of the mid 1990's.
Originally posted by little_master: One admires the effort he puts in, but at the same time one has to wonder about an attack that cannot dislodge the likes of him. I am a avid fan, but even I must show displeasure at such a weak Pak attack. In the last 30 years, we have not fielded a side so weak in the pace bowling department.
This is a seam attack on par with the Indian attacks of the mid 1990's.
Especially considering the fact that Rana was not as good as he is today
Excuse me, is he any good even today?
He used to average 45 when SL landed in Pak in '04 (infact that was his debut test), and 8 tests since then, he averages 58-odd in test cricket, which proves if anything, he has got even worse in test cricket.
So I find it bit amusing some fans moan about Pak missing its frontline pacers like Shoaib (definitely a big loss), Asif (again a big loss), and Rana (can hardly be termed as a loss). Yep, he is good in ODI cricket, but so are Sami, Pathan and many others in world cricket. This doesn't mean that one should expect them to do well in test cricket as well.
Its entirely different ball game in test cricket IMHO.
Originally posted by little_master: I must show displeasure at such a weak Pak attack. In the last 30 years, we have not fielded a side so weak in the pace bowling department.
Yeah well, England are missing Vaughan, Fred, SiJo, Giles and Anderson. You make do with what you have.
Originally posted by little_master: I must show displeasure at such a weak Pak attack. In the last 30 years, we have not fielded a side so weak in the pace bowling department.
Yeah well, England are missing Vaughan, Fred, SiJo, Giles and Anderson. You make do with what you have.
England are lucky Vaughan is missing. If Wonky Knee was still in the team in India England would have lost the series because Cook wouldn't have been there to top the batting averages. Then Vaughan would have averaged about 30 against Sri Lanka instead of Cook's 43.75. Then Vaughan wouldn't have started off the series against Pakistan in England with a 100 like Cook has.
(It's time to stop playing the Michael Vaughan card)
I'm pointing out to little_whotzit that England are shy of several first-choice players, just as Pakistan are, and that he should not whinge.
Let's face it, if Vaughan were fit he'd be in the England side no matter how few runs he might score and how many runs Cook might score. Just as GoJo will be there no matter how bad he is and how good Read is.
If the pak attack was so poor , then why did Tez , strauss and petersen fail .
Collingwood has worked at his game and is now a test player . He reminds me of a once less talented aussie player who started with a limited game and made the most of it by hard work and bloody mindedness. His name steve waugh.
The time when he 'd be dropped when someone better comes back has passed .
Originally posted by krisreturns: If the pak attack was so poor , then why did Tez , strauss and petersen fail .
Good point well made!
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Collingwood has worked at his game and is now a test player . He reminds me of a once less talented aussie player who started with a limited game and made the most of it by hard work and bloody mindedness. His name steve waugh.
There is a parallel with between Waugh and Colly in that both found a test method that worked for them. But my recall of Tugga is somewhat different. In the 1989 Ashes he was playing all the shots in the book and looked a new Bradman. But two years later he lost his place. When he got back into the Australian side, he cut the flashy shots out, stuck to the percentage shots and scored most consistently than before.
Originally posted by little_master: I must show displeasure at such a weak Pak attack. In the last 30 years, we have not fielded a side so weak in the pace bowling department.
Yeah well, England are missing Vaughan, Fred, SiJo, Giles and Anderson. You make do with what you have.
I dont think Giles can be considered a loss of any magnitude.
I'm still not entirely sure of Colly to be honest. Not sure what it is about him but his batting has never really convinced me that much in either form of the game.
That saying he has improved in ODIs in recent times and since getting a second chance in test matches, he has scored 3 50s and 2 centuries in 10 test matches.
