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Mister Robby's version of Steve Waugh is the right one.
He did start as an extravagently gifted batsman [almost as gifted as his twin].
Then in the early 90's, in adversity, he pared back his game to eliminate risk.
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He also found a method of dealing with the short lifting ball which had previously troubled him.
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and of farming the strike to the tail
WA - lost in the desert like burke and (gr)wills
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...and of course running his partners out...
WA - lost in the desert like burke and (gr)wills
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...and getting other players to go for the quick runs, avoiding risk himself
WA - lost in the desert like burke and (gr)wills
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quote: Originally posted by beepbeep:
...and getting other players to go for the quick runs, avoiding risk himself
I don't recall Australia not winning a Test match because Steve Waugh scored his runs too slowly |
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quote: Originally posted by little_master: quote: Originally posted by Mister Robby: quote: Originally posted by little_master:
I must show displeasure at such a weak Pak attack. In the last 30 years, we have not fielded a side so weak in the pace bowling department.
Yeah well, England are missing Vaughan, Fred, SiJo, Giles and Anderson. You make do with what you have.
I dont think Giles can be considered a loss of any magnitude. 
Well, that suggests that you don't watch England very often. Giles's bowling was a huge factor in England's win in Pakistan in 2000, in the win aganst WI in 2004, otherwise 'spells' the four quicks to make them more effective, and he has dug England out of batting holes again and again. The most recent example was his 35 and 50 at the Oval which helped secure the Ashes. |
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quote: Originally posted by Mister Robby: quote: Originally posted by little_master: quote: Originally posted by Mister Robby: quote: Originally posted by little_master:
I must show displeasure at such a weak Pak attack. In the last 30 years, we have not fielded a side so weak in the pace bowling department.
Yeah well, England are missing Vaughan, Fred, SiJo, Giles and Anderson. You make do with what you have.
I dont think Giles can be considered a loss of any magnitude.
Well, that suggests that you don't watch England very often. Giles's bowling was a huge factor in England's win in Pakistan in 2000, in the win aganst WI in 2004, otherwise 'spells' the four quicks to make them more effective, and he has dug England out of batting holes again and again. The most recent example was his 35 and 50 at the Oval which helped secure the Ashes.
Robby, it might be time to accept that Giles is 36 years old with a dodgy hip and has passed his use by date. |
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quote: Originally posted by Mr Cricket:
Robby, it might be time to accept that Giles is 36 years old with a dodgy hip and has passed his use by date.
The Aus team are so youthful aren't they. |
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Two more things to think about with Colly (apart from the obvious question of his batting and not unuseful bits of bowling) ....
1. Great fielder.
2. Outstanding for team spirit. Never-say-die upbeat attitude, supportive towards his teammates as well as a will to win. (Witness his attempts to get Ali Cook his century before the end of the day, calm the lad's nerves, running a dodgy single at his own possible expense...)
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quote: Originally posted by PeterCS:
Two more things to think about with Colly (apart from the obvious question of his batting and not unuseful bits of bowling) ....
1. Great fielder.
2. Outstanding for team spirit. Never-say-die upbeat attitude, supportive towards his teammates as well as a will to win. (Witness his attempts to get Ali Cook his century before the end of the day, calm the lad's nerves, run a very dodgy single at his own possible expense...)
Yep he seems like a good character to have around aswell as being an excellent fielder and pretty good batsman. |
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quote: Originally posted by Mr Cricket:
Robby, it might be time to accept that Giles is 36 years old with a dodgy hip and has passed his use by date.
<<cough>> McGrath <<cough>> |
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quote: Originally posted by Mr Cricket:
Robby, it might be time to accept that Giles is 36 years old with a dodgy hip and has passed his use by date.
That must be news to Ashley who was under the impression he was 33. (Which is actually younger than 6 of the probable Australian team this winter) I can't see how a bowler with an average of 39.60 wouldn't skittle out Pakistan on this wicket. They'd probably be following on by now if Gilo was playing. |
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quote: Originally posted by gh05: quote: Originally posted by Mr Cricket:
Robby, it might be time to accept that Giles is 36 years old with a dodgy hip and has passed his use by date.
The Aus team are so youthful aren't they.
The big difference is the Australian players are fit and haven't had to worry about getting over hip operations. I won't be surprised for example if Glen McGrath is rusty in the first Test of the Ashes simply because of the time out he has had and thats taking into consideration Pigeon has been in full training! What sort of fitness base and how much training is Giles likely to have behind him by the time the Ashes series rolls around? |
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quote: Originally posted by Stonewaller:
Is Steve Waugh ever wrong?
Why, what did Waugh say? |
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quote: Originally posted by Chris J.: quote: Originally posted by Stonewaller:
Is Steve Waugh ever wrong?
Why, what did Waugh say?
He praised Collingwood in 2001, saying he had 'ticker'; it has been rumoured it was just a tactic to influence the English selectors to pick an underperforming player, but it certainly paid off in the end. |
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Is Paul Collingwood really a Test class batsman capable of batting in the top five?
Deep down, most of you must know the answer is no.
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His current test average of 42 suggests that he is.
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quote: Originally posted by peterg:
Mister Robby's version of Steve Waugh is the right one.
He did start as an extravagently gifted batsman [almost as gifted as his twin].
Then in the early 90's, in adversity, he pared back his game to eliminate risk.
Ok i'll accept that as i think you've seen more of his domestic test matches where as i didnt. I thought he tightened up his game before the 1989 series but i'll go with that. |
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I saw him at Lord's in 1989. I think he got 177, mainly batting with the tail. Tore the England attack to ribbons.
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quote: Originally posted by Mister Robby:
I saw him at Lord's in 1989. I think he got 177, mainly batting with the tail. Tore the England attack to ribbons.
MR - Sorry to be the pendant but your memory is slightly failing here. The 177 was at Leeds in the 1st Test. At Lords he scored 152 not out. Both innings were very classy examples of dashing batting. |
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Interestingly since the start of the series in Pak last winter Paul Collingwood is averaging 60.
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152*, yes indeed Gordo. It was so horrible to be there. Awful cold day. Even Lawson and Merv got runs, then Gooch went for a blob. I did get to meet 'Garth' McKenzie though!
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quote: Originally posted by Mister Robby:
152*, yes indeed Gordo. It was so horrible to be there. Awful cold day. Even Lawson and Merv got runs, then Gooch went for a blob. I did get to meet 'Garth' McKenzie though!
MR - Not to question your memory even further (since I was in deepest, darkest, coldest Perth at the time) but my recollection of S Waugh's 152 was of it being made on a glorious English summers day. Certainly on a cold wet windy night all that sunshine looked inviting. |
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I was on the bottom deck of what is now the Compton Stand. Might have been sunny up top, but cold and dark where I was!
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