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to be the first sub continent team to win a test series in South Africa. With a wearing pitch taking turn (described by both Indian and South African players as an Indian pitch), if you were a betting person, you'd have to back India's chances on day 5, with SA already two down.

There has been some really good test cricket in this series, much more competitive than the much hyped and so utterly one sided Ashes. The umpiring has been rather ordinary though, which assumed farcical proportions in the 2nd test especially. It was quite astonishing to see the blatant errors and the sheer number of them. Umpiring is a thankless job though, in the current state of media climate and no help from any sort of technology.

Regardless, the important thing has been the fact that India have been very competitive in South Africa, something not expected by many. Test cricket badly needs that kind of competition, where a lot of contests can be comfortably predicted in advance these days, depending upon the sheer mismatch of skills or the conditions.

This would be a 2-1 result either way (with no dead rubber wins), and the chances are India should be able to do what no team from sub continent has ever done before, not even the much talented Pakistan team of the 90s (though it was riddled with ‘issues’ – the kind which can’t be talked about openly on a public forum)
 
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"India on the verge of creating history?"

Possibly. They could also be on the verge of having thousands of effigys of them burnt.

Call me a fantasist but im going to predict something outrageous- A third tied Test. World Cricket is due for one.
 
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I highly doubt India can win this!
 
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Regardless, the important thing has been the fact that India have been very competitive in South Africa,


I really think that's not enough anymore.

They should at worst have drawn this series and a loss would have to be seen as a failure.

This isn't the mighty south african teams of the 90's and early this decade.

it's a team clearly in decline and teams shouldn't treat a tight loss or a draw like they would if they did it in say australia.
 
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In saying all that i think india will record the win on the back of kumble.
 
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it's a team clearly in decline


Id say South Africa are now more in a rebuiliding faze than a decline. The decline was in 2001-02.
 
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India are in a decline phase morelike
 
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India are in a decline phase morelike


Their batting is in decline, their bowling is on the way up.
 
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Id say South Africa are now more in a rebuiliding faze than a decline. The decline was in 2001-02.


fair call, but all the same teams shoudn't be happy just to compete with them now like they would ahve been 5 years ago.

They are a team that hasn't really won anything of note in the last couple of years are poorly lead and are ripe for the plucking.
 
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I would back SA to win this. They've got batting depth all the way to Pollock, and then some. That is probably going to be the decider tomorrow.

Kumble will probably do well (if the predictions for the wicket hold) but he needs someone at the other end to take some wickets/tie the batsmen down.

Given the comparatively small target, I back SA's batting to just about edge it. Should be a good game.


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If India remove Kallis in the first 30 minutes tomorrow morning they will win the Test match imo.
 
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I really love these sorts of games when it's not my team.

So tense that you can't really enjoy these chases when it's your team.
 
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RSA are in front..them have to play out of their skins to win this


The only way is up.
 
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I really love these sorts of games when it's not my team.

So tense that you can't really enjoy these chases when it's your team.


I really hate these sorts of games when it's my team.


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If India lose this game their fans will know what it felt like to be English after the Adelaide Test last month. Im telling you now- It aint a good feeling.
 
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nah even a lose here wouldn't match adelaide.

in englands case all they needed was 60 minutes of normal batting and they were safe india needed a whole day to be 100% safe.

Adelaide was just one of those crazy games we rarely ever see.
 
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The thing about long batting orders is that often there is no safety in numbers. SA have always liked to have a long batting, but sometimes quality is more important than quantity. That famous 99 WC semi final for example, where the quantity of SA batting could not win against the quality of Aussie team (who did not have that long a batting line up).

Not just Kumble, the part timers Sachin and Sehwag can be quite a handful on a pitch taking turn, and this one is. Fifth day - you'd have to back India's chances.

Watermelon - if SA really bat well, your prediction of tied test just might come true. What a cracker of a match that would be.
 
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i agree jude, no matter how deep you bat when things go wrong late for a team vs a quality spinner 10 bats isn't enough.

In fact that can be the problem you assume one of the many other blokes will finish the job if you fail.
 
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Trouble for India is that 1 partnership of any substance takes SA close...

Whatever the result, at least India are now a much better side away from home than at any stage in their history i'd guess?
 
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When was the last time a sub continental side won a test in SA (prior to this series)?

India certainly seemed to have improved away. They also managed a series win in WI, something which has alluded Pak/SL in recent times.

Re tomorrow, I feel SA are still slight favourites given the relatively small target. Much will depend on breaking the Smith/Kallis partnership ASAP.
 
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Great game and series so far.

Speaking of this match i think SA has the edge i say this not because IND don't have enough runs on the board but because i feel that the Indians are scared to win. Just the way the Indians batted today there was a sense of panic and the approach was almost as negative as ENG's approach at Adeliade. So if the Indians take the field with the similar attitude tomorrow then i have no doubt in my mind that SA will run away with the match.


Now let's play cricket......
 
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When was the last time a sub continental side won a test in SA (prior to this series)?


I don't remember any one winning after the 1998 series involving PAK.


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Great game and series so far.

Speaking of this match i think SA has the edge i say this not because IND don't have enough runs on the board but because i feel that the Indians are scared to win. Just the way the Indians batted today there was a sense of panic and the approach was almost as negative as ENG's approach at Adeliade. So if the Indians take the field with the similar attitude tomorrow then i have no doubt in my mind that SA will run away with the match.


I have talked about Dravid's (and for some time now Sachin's as well) negative approach to batting many times on this forum before. Not only it has cost India test matches and series (their last home series vs Pakistan was one example), it also has resulted in them drawing matches which they might have won if they played more positively. But then again, Dravid is hampered by the fact that he is not a stroke player and is limited in his capacity to score runs. He is a grinder, and will always remain so. Sachin though is a great batsman, though in decline. I take it SA bowled some negative lines in the 2nd innings, but my over all point is much larger.

Fortunately from Indian viewpoint, they are not dependent not on Dravid but on Kumble to win this match. The captain would have no choice but to set reasonably attacking fields, though that may not matter much - Kumble on a 5th day wearing pitch might be enough. There are not a lot of scoring opportunites in such cases and 160+ to get with 2 down already might be too much for SA

I remember Aus needing 120 something with 7 wickets left in Sydney against Pakistan back in the mid 90s, and Mustaq was able to spun them out - as there was enough turn. That was a dead rubber though - but at least it was a test win over Australia in Aus - as it turns out, Pak haven't had that since that match, neither in Aus nor anywhere else, Colombo, Sharjah, Moscow, Paris, Beijing...Mars...

This could be a real classic finish to a test and series....
 
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Should be a good one.

Rain may fall, but is unlikely to persist for long. The relatively low target versus the fact that this is the ground most favourable for Indian spin on the last day probably weigh up well against each other...
 
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