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Please tell me what your opinions are on my following ratings, judged on the play from this last series.

Alastair Cook 8
Two relatively routine Test centuries to take his tally to six – and two 50s to boot – were reward for a series in which Cook grew in confidence and aggression; in doing so, he showed the time is right for him to have an extended run in the ODI side.

Andrew Strauss 3
While his partner flourished, Strauss’ winter struggles continued as both his technique and previously unflappable temperament came under question. Although he made a very good 77 in the last Test, he averaged at least 21 less than all the other members of the top seven and has much to do to prove he has not been found out at Test level.

Owais Shah 1
Shah played two somewhat chaotic innings at Lord’s and, if this immensely talented player is to thrive at Test level, it will probably not be at number three.

Michael Vaughan 8
It was as if Vaughan had never been away. His comeback hundred hardly rivalled those of Boycott in ’77 and Thorpe in 2003, but, nonetheless, it was a highly fluent knock which showcased the best of Vaughan. His captaincy was an important facet of England’s three consecutive victories though both that and his batting will face tougher tests against India.

Kevin Pietersen 9
Pietersen made two fabulous consecutive hundreds, including his Test best, 226, to illustrate he has the patience and temperament to make huge scores at Test level. Despite a series average of 66, there were still a few too many moments of impetuosity.

Paul Collingwood 7
Collingwood looked worryingly troubled on occasions, but he rode some extraordinary good fortune to make 111 at Lord’s before scoring a terrific 128 on his first Test at home to cement his place in the side. At Lord’s, he also bowled well to claim the wicket of Bravo.

Ian Bell 7
Bell scored a rather facile century in the First Test, but his excellent 97 at Old Trafford made in the trickiest batting conditions England faced all series, was testament to his increased maturity.

Matt Prior Bat8 W/K 3
Prior scored a century on debut and 75 in the second Test, but it was his innings of 40 and 62 in the last two Tests, made under far more testing circumstances, that were more indicative of his qualities as a Test batsmen, although a few dismissals were born of over-confidence. His keeping, while never matching the levels of Read, was agile and is clearly improving.

Liam Plunkett 3
Plunkett took 4-60 in the match at Headingley, but this was in spite of serial inaccuracy. His action, a victim of excess biomechanics, is fundamentally flawed and if England leave him playing for Durham for the remainder of the summer it will help him realise his rich potential.

Steve Harmison 5
Harmison often seemed incapable of hitting the square, let alone the stumps, but he deserves credit for working through his problems, with the help of Allan Donald, to bowl with much more venom in the last three innings of the series. His commitment cannot be doubted, either, after bowling a spell of 17 consecutive overs to help England to victory on his home ground.

Ryan Sidebottom 8
England’s big find of the series, the shaggy-haired Sidebottom claimed 16 wickets at under 20, although he went wicketless in West Indies’ last two second innings, and also biffed impressively. Left-armers able to swing the ball both ways, as Sidebottom, a beneficiary of many years on the county circuit, proved he can, are rare and he deserves the series against India to prove he can trouble the world’s best batsmen.

Matthew Hoggard 7
Hoggard was reassuring, and most impressive, in claiming 5/86 on his return on the final Test.

Monty Panesar 9
Panesar was England’s key man; there were many occasions during the first and third Tests when it seemed as if only he could take a wicket. Although he was perhaps a little defensive in the first three Tests, he bowled with more loop at Chestr-le-Street to claim 5-46. Overall, he was fantastic, claiming 23 wickets at 18 to continue his development as a spinner able to both contain and to take top order wickets even in unhelpful conditions.
 
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Pretty much spot on mate. Good effort.

I don't agree that Strauss may have been found out at Test level though. You don't score centuries against every top side except for Sri Lanka without being top notch. Those two centuries against Australia in 2005 are particularly impressive.

It just seems to be a complete mental collapse after those three appalling umpiring decisions in a row against Australia. Hopefully he'll recover soon.

Prior must improve his glovework. His 3 dropped catches in this series went unnoticed because of the paucity of talent in the Windies side but against better sides we just can't afford it. That said, English conditions are notoriously tricky for wicketkeepers (*cough*Akmal*cough*) and he did well keeping to Harmison and Plunkett's wides throughout.

Good summary.
 
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His 3 dropped catches in this series went unnoticed because of the paucity of talent in the Windies side but against better sides we just can't afford it.


I think Priors a scruffy but adequate keeper.

But i tell you what, the wicketkeeper debate is really getting boring.

3 chances in 4 tests!?

I'm sure people are looking through misty eyes when thinking of past greats like Knott & Taylor.

Flicking through some action of the 70's and 80's i have now and again, these guys were regularly spilling chances

3 misses (2 of which were difficult) in 4 games is nothing.
 
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Good summary.

England looks frighteningly close to having the full kit.


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His 3 dropped catches in this series went unnoticed because of the paucity of talent in the Windies side but against better sides we just can't afford it.


I think Priors a scruffy but adequate keeper.

But i tell you what, the wicketkeeper debate is really getting boring.

3 chances in 4 tests!?

I'm sure people are looking through misty eyes when thinking of past greats like Knott & Taylor.

Flicking through some action of the 70's and 80's i have now and again, these guys were regularly spilling chances

3 misses (2 of which were difficult) in 4 games is nothing.


Doesn't look comfortable at all when Monty's bowling. Hopefully he'll improve.

Knott and Taylor were regularly spilling chances? You sure about this? Goes against everything I've learned about them.
 
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Good summary.

England looks frighteningly close to having the full kit.

Yeah, against a side like the WI.
Don't you think though, with a few honorable exceptions, they were, on the whole, no better than a poor county side?
 
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Good summary.

England looks frighteningly close to having the full kit.


A woof coming 2 years in advance! Eek

Impressive!
 
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Interesting to note some England career averages after the conclusion of the WI series:

Bowling:

Panesar now has 65 wkts @ 28.40 in 17 tests.

Hoggys average is now close to dipping under 30 again - 240 wickets @ 30.03

Harmys is getting dangerously close to 31 - 205 wkts @ 30.82

Interesting to note that Harmy/Hog both have decent S/R of 55, Panesar is a very impressive 58.

Batting:

From a position of having the best average in the team in his first 25 tests, he now has the lowest average of the top 7 @ 41.26

Infact a lot of us on the forum said he was unlikely to keep up his 50+ average and was likely to have one @ 40

Every one of Englands top 7 average over 41, with KP still over 50
 
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Sorry - that should've been Straussys stats for the batting.
 
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Strauss should finish with an average of around 45-50 if he pulls himself together.
 
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Interesting to note some England career averages after the conclusion of the WI series:



England's lead side could soon feature five bowlers with averages under 30 ...


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His 3 dropped catches in this series went unnoticed because of the paucity of talent in the Windies side but against better sides we just can't afford it.


I think Priors a scruffy but adequate keeper.

But i tell you what, the wicketkeeper debate is really getting boring.

3 chances in 4 tests!?

I'm sure people are looking through misty eyes when thinking of past greats like Knott & Taylor.

Flicking through some action of the 70's and 80's i have now and again, these guys were regularly spilling chances

3 misses (2 of which were difficult) in 4 games is nothing.


Read set higher standards than Prior behind the stumps - can't remember many more than 3 missed chances since his first recall. But if Prior can average in the high 30s against stronger opposition and ensure his keeping is solid then that would definitely do.

Remember watching one of those programmes from the 70's on channel 442 (Eng vs Pakistan) and Alan Knott dropped 3 catches in a day - 2 of which were pretty easy ones. So these old keepers weren't always as amazing as is often implied.
 
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england are surely now in a position to knock us off our perch


WA - lost in the desert like burke and (gr)wills
 
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I can't remember Taylor ever making a mistake behind the stumps. He was immaculate.
 
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Surely all these marks out of ten should be dropped by at least two - given the paucity of the opposition?
My eight-year-old son on a space-hopper could have fielded better than the Windies.
 
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Surely Colly gets at least as much as Vaughan and Cook. His innings in the 4th test was matchwinning.
 
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Australia's gone, as a force in Test cricket.


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Yep, if the Ashes were played tomorrow, no way could we cope with the line up of harmy, Hoggy, Frontbum and Monty. 5-zip the poms.
 
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The new coaching set-up have clearly done well and the players have responded. We were always going to crush the post-Lara Windies and did so with ease despite Chanderpaul showing us what happens when our attack meets top class batsmen.

The Aussie enemy are two years away and I would like to see an eye on the future. In two years time I would like us to have produced a young test class bowler (probably one out of Broad, Adil Rashid, Plunkett or Mahmood).

We also have proven quality players who could/should come back in Tres, S Jones and Freddie. The selectors will eventually be forced to make some difficult choices.
 
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The sooner we walk away from SiJo, the better.
All this looking back over one's shoulder at "what might be", based on now ancient stats won't help "build the team for the future".
Tres, however, is still scoring runs (albeit on a road down at Taunton) and Fred, of course, still ranks high despite the now obvious aggro with Vawney.

Re The quicks ... Hoggy and Sideshow are good for a couple of years yet....
Broad and Mahmood should be brought on IMO
Harmi flexes his muscles and bullies only weak opposition ... can't see him lasting a couple of years.
Montsta will get better - no doubt - this guy has matured beyond belief ... but, he needs a spin twin - and from all accounts, Rashid seems to be the one.
 
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Stoopid Aussies on this thread, it's not always all about you Wink
 
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Looks like we'll get carried away with beating the West Indies (as usual) and Captain Ego will have all the blind followers he needs Roll Eyes

The real test wasn't beating West Indies, it comes when we face better teams and I've compiled stats since 2000 for all the teams that will show how poor West Indies have become and show England's weakness while also showing how strong the aussies are

England Test Win% (since and including Zimbabwe 2000)

100.00% vs Bangladesh (P4 W4 D0 L0)
76.47% vs West Indies (P17 W13 D3 L1)
75.00% vs Zimbabwe (P4 W3 D1 L0)
66.67% vs New Zealand (P6 W4 D1 L1)
41.67% vs Pakistan (P12 W5 D4 L3)
41.67% vs Sri Lanka (P12 W5 D4 L3)
40.00% vs South Africa (P10 W4 D3 L3)
20.00% vs Australia (P20 W4 D2 L14)
20.00% vs India (P10 W2 D5 L3)

And stats for all nations :-

Series Win% (since and including 2000)

83.33% Australia (P24 W20 D2 L2)
55.56% England (P27 W15 D6 L6)
53.85% South Africa (P26 W14 D2 L10)
52.00% Pakistan (P25 W13 D5 L7)
50.00% India (P26 W13 D6 L7)
48.15% Sri Lanka (P27 W13 D4 L10)
34.78% New Zealand (P23 W8 D8 L7)
24.00% West Indies (P25 W6 D1 L18)
14.29% Zimbabwe (P21 W3 D2 L16)
4.17% Bangladesh (P24 W1 D0 L23)

Take out wins over Zimbabwe and Bangladesh (4 out of 6)and you'll see how poor West Indies are

Test Win% OVERALL (since and including 2000)

73.75% Australia (P80 W59 D11 L10)
46.32% England (P95 W44 D23 L28)
45.16% Sri Lanka (P62 W28 D13 L21)
45.00% Pakistan (P60 W27 D12 L21)
44.00% South Africa (P75 W33 D18 L24)
40.28% India (P72 W29 D24 L19)
33.96% New Zealand (P53 W18 D18 L17)
14.81% West Indies (P81 W12 D21 L48)
11.90% Zimbabwe (P42 W5 D9 L28)
2.17% Bangladesh (P46 W1 D5 L40)

Test Win% HOME (since and including 2000)

80.00% Australia (P45 W36 D7 L2)
60.61% Sri Lanka (P33 W20 D6 L7)
58.49% England (P53 W31 D11 L11)
57.50% South Africa (P40 W23 D7 L10)
55.56% Pakistan (P27 W15 D7 L5)
46.67% India (P30 W14 D11 L5)
42.31% New Zealand (P26 W11 D8 L7)
20.59% West Indies (P34 W7 D13 L14)
11.90% Zimbabwe (P42 W5 D9 L28)
4.35% Bangladesh (P23 W1 D3 L19)

Test Win% AWAY (since and including 2000)

65.71% Australia (P35 W23 D4 L8)
36.36% Pakistan (P33 W12 D5 L16)
35.71% India (P42 W15 D13 L14)
30.95% England (P42 W13 D12 L17)
28.57% South Africa (P35 W10 D11 L14)
27.59% Sri Lanka (P29 W8 D7 L14)
25.93% New Zealand (P27 W7 D10 L10)
10.64% West Indies (P47 W5 D8 L34)
5.00% Zimbabwe (P20 W1 D5 L14)
0.00% Bangladesh (P23 W0 D2 L21)

The aussies win a great percentage of Tests AWAY than any other Test nation wins at home!
 
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So ,what you're saying is Australia have been the best team in the last 7 years.

Good call...
 
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I'd like to see the stats of all other teams using the same criteria Owzat.

In the last 5 years, No one else has beaten Australia nor won in SA (aside from Oz)

Consider where we were when those stats started, i'd say we have a pretty good record despite you trying to prove otherwise.

As for WI they are the 3rd weakest team sure, but i don't see Pak or Ind rattling off 13 wins in 15 tests against them?

Pak drew 1-1 and Ind won 1-0, winning 1 test in 4 by just 49 runs

Same with NZ - we beat them 3-0 whilst India didn't beat them in the same period at home.
 
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