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Originally posted by JKLever:
I'd like to see the stats of all other teams using the same criteria Owzat.

To prove what? The overall stats for all nations pretty much show who is good and who isn't.

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Originally posted by JKLever:
i'd say we have a pretty good record despite you trying to prove otherwise.

I know we have a "pretty good record" and I'm not trying to prove otherwise. I am showing the West Indies are a weak side and beating them 10-0 would prove nothing. What the stats show is England are pretty strong at home, pretty ordinary away and that is good enough to be second best.

It seems some people on here simply won't accept that easy wins over the West Indies prove nothing, that may not include you, but when people pick and choose which stats they accept without question and others they dismiss as being in some way misrepresentative then it only further proves people choose what they want to believe.

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Originally posted by JKLever:
As for WI they are the 3rd weakest team sure, but i don't see Pak or Ind rattling off 13 wins in 15 tests against them?

I may pull out the relevant stats but since they're not losing to them then that leaves only two other results

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Originally posted by JKLever:
Pak drew 1-1 and Ind won 1-0, winning 1 test in 4 by just 49 runs

Same with NZ - we beat them 3-0 whilst India didn't beat them in the same period at home.

Those India Tests were played in West Indies and. We drew at home last time against India, what does singling that out prove?

And Pakistan won 2-0 last time out with a draw in the other Test, the 1-1 series draw was back in 04/05 and only a two Test series. Pakistan we know are highly unpredictable. We beat them 3-0 here and they beat us 2-0 over there

I am curious why you're so determined to TRY and prove stats wrong, probably because you think in some way I'm trying to prove England are rubbish (which I'm not and the stats don't show that) You're normally a rationale forummer, for some reason my highlighting this series was no more impressive than a Liverpool vs Watford home win has in some way provoked a different you

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Originally posted by Owzat:
I am curious why you're so determined to TRY and prove stats wrong, probably because you think in some way I'm trying to prove England are rubbish

Well yes I do get that impression really, coupled with some other statements you've made about past series wins.

Is there anyone out there who has been shouting from the rooftops about this series win? Really, i don't see it.

Hence, people are judging individual performances rather than focusing on the result.

But if you say you aren't then fine.

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I've compiled stats since 2000 for all the teams that will show how poor West Indies have become and show England's weakness

This statement might also have something to do with my perception

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Originally posted by Owzat:
I am showing the West Indies are a weak side and beating them 10-0 would prove nothing.

Well, not quite. What England's record does show is that they are rather good at putting away a poor side. Given that the likes of India (an undoubtedly talented side) have struggled to do so, especially away from home, that is a mark in England's favour.

The danger is that you benchmark how England have done against the likes of the West Indies with how a team like Australia have, and that is where it does become meaningless. Put it this way, had India stomped all over the West Indies in virtually every test, away as well as home, I think we'd be hearing about it.

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Originally posted by JKLever:
I'd like to see the stats of all other teams using the same criteria Owzat.

In the last 5 years, No one else has beaten Australia nor won in SA (aside from Oz)

Consider where we were when those stats started, i'd say we have a pretty good record despite you trying to prove otherwise.

As for WI they are the 3rd weakest team sure, but i don't see Pak or Ind rattling off 13 wins in 15 tests against them?

Pak drew 1-1 and Ind won 1-0, winning 1 test in 4 by just 49 runs

Same with NZ - we beat them 3-0 whilst India didn't beat them in the same period at home.

That was because of some real crap pitches though. You'd have needed 20 days to complete a test match on those wickets.

Don't we play the Aussies more than any other team as well? That must skew the stats a bit.