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but 'um my baby just loves to dance.......
 
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Particluarly the Aussies.


The Aussies just set a higher standard of cricket through all the ranks.

My brother is a 2ndXI opening bat at the cricket club we play at and he went to Oz in an exchange program and he was in the 4th team down under.

Apprently the standard of cricket is just much higher and taken really seriously with lost of Brett Lee-esque agression
 
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Apprently the standard of cricket is just much higher and taken really seriously with lost of Brett Lee-esque agression


What, misplaced?
 
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I think it is a fallacy that any significant number of young players in England who are worthy of County cricket miss out because of overseas players.
Cricket is not the number one sport in England and cricket at grass roots level doesn't do aswell as it should to produce the youngsters who are worthy of playing County cricket in the first place.
Consequently County cricket is like a primary school for young English players as apposed to Australias domestic comp being more of a finishing school for young players
 
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If the argument is that overseas players in England raise the level of game - then why is it that most overseas players that do play are not even part of the regular XV let alone XI of their national teams - is English cricket in that bad a state?

Secondly, all countries are facing attendence issues aka domestic games - not just England - but SA, NZ, Aus, Ind you name it - they have the same problem. But those countries have little overseas participation in their domestic setup so why does England think that it has the answer?

I can't recall the last time I went to a match and where I heard a cricket fan say "... I'm only here to watch this overseas player ..." - its rubbish.

As for missing out and whether cricket is the number one sport or not - it wouldn't matter - soccer is and its grass roots level participation in the premiership has nearly died its death. For the counties - its about winning - and the winning mental approach seems to be that overseas players will do it - again I don't see any evidence where this is the case - they have helped - but there is no consistent proof to suggest that counties win championship titles due to overseas players alone - I thought prior argument was always its XI men that win - not a lone hand.
 
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If the argument is that overseas players in England raise the level of game - then why is it that most overseas players that do play are not even part of the regular XV let alone XI of their national teams - is English cricket in that bad a state?


There are 18 counties .....that's 198 players (without counting players missing through injury and Tests) ....if the 20th best player from any other established Test nation wasn't better than the 150th to 198th Pomgolian then that Nation should give up cricket ...Australia has 6 FC teams ...so any Ozzie that heads to the CC should be in the top 66 players in Oz


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I can't recall the last time I went to a match and where I heard a cricket fan say "... I'm only here to watch this overseas player ..." - its rubbish.


Not at all, my corpulent chum.

In fact I went just last week to me lovely old Wantage Road - or the Cayntee as it's known round these parts - and there were around 200 extra supporters than usual, alot of them Brasian and they were basically there to see Ganguly.

Old Sourav had plenty of Autographs to sign that day, in between abusing those jumped up Surrey ponces...
 
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so any Ozzie that heads to the CC should be in the top 66 players in Oz


Nico's good one game and then dump the next 4.
 
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Nico's good one game and then dump the next 4.



He's 20% Wozzie , 80% Dubber


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He's 20% Wozzie , 80% Dubber


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Cos the counties pay the best of the Aussies and Saffies come and play for them, perchance?


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Embers has an obsession with giving jobs to crap Yarpies.


Or more possibly they get sick of playing with big time charlies....
 
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If the argument is that overseas players in England raise the level of game - then why is it that most overseas players that do play are not even part of the regular XV let alone XI of their national teams - is English cricket in that bad a state?

....Yes..The standard of County cricket is such that it allows some lesser players from overseas to make some money playing cricket.

Secondly, all countries are facing attendence issues aka domestic games - not just England - but SA, NZ, Aus, Ind you name it - they have the same problem. But those countries have little overseas participation in their domestic setup so why does England think that it has the answer?

...As far as marketing domestic cricket goes I don't think any country has all the answers.....

I can't recall the last time I went to a match and where I heard a cricket fan say "... I'm only here to watch this overseas player ..." - its rubbish.


As for missing out and whether cricket is the number one sport or not - it wouldn't matter - soccer is and its grass roots level participation in the premiership has nearly died its death. For the counties - its about winning - and the winning mental approach seems to be that overseas players will do it - again I don't see any evidence where this is the case - they have helped - but there is no consistent proof to suggest that counties win championship titles due to overseas players alone - I thought prior argument was always its XI men that win - not a lone hand.



It seems that you would prefer overseas players didn't participate in County cricket for the sake of it.
The first point I made in the post you have responded to is that I don't believe that any young English talent that is good enough misses out because of overseas players participating in County cricket.
I did not speculate that one overseas player would win the competition for his team single handedly.
This overseas player thing is being used as a Patsy by some people IMO because overseas players aren't the reason for the the question mark on the standard of County cricket.
I also mentioned the grass roots of cricket in England and perhaps I should have spelled out that what happens in County cricket largely depends on what is happening with kids when they are still at school and the years before they are old enough to play senior cricket at any level.
Geraint Jones got the wicket keeping job in the Test team for example because England moreless didn't have another option who was not only talented like Jones but also had quiet a bit of cricket behind him.
How can a County team improve if they don't have young guns knocking on the door that are good enough to make the selectors push some of the deadwood out of the team?
 
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