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Gilo may well not even play for Warks as his wife has got a brain tumour. BLackwell might be back for the ODers I spose.....
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quote: Originally posted by Rob:
Gilo may well not even play for Warks as his wife has got a brain tumour.
BLackwell might be back for the ODers I spose.....
That's a shame. When did you hear that Rob? Is it old news? Hope she gets better. I want Swanny mesen... |
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It was on the news when he went home- was replaced by Dalrymple.
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Panesar is serious class, and should definetly be Englands main spin option for many years to come. Monty is a great guy and is showing his potential in both India and Australia. He'll be key when England play Windies and India at home and will be essential in Sri Lanka on turning tracks and on everywhere else. His confidence is raising by each game and his good game aggression passion is being shown, its not putting him off though just focusing him and the team more. I can see Monty turning the windies inside out, bar maybe Gayle and Lara who play spin very well. (May undo Gayle with ease at times because he rarely uses his feet). We may see Fireworks with Lara vs Panesar. It'll be a good contest. As for India, we know what happened in Monty's opening series, Tendulkar will look for Revenge but Monty will be out to show hes improved since then and will be very willing and eager to bowl at Tendulkar and Dravid, to show the skipper and the Public that hes much better than when he began. Finally, the Sri Lankan tour, should be a much easier tour than this current Australia tour for him, I would definetly partner Monty with Dalrymple on that tour. Because I expect Chandana will accompany Muralitharan for it. Overall, hes a sensational find for England, its a pity he hasnt shown how well he does on final day pitches because Englands batting has been very lack lustre and lazy this series. In my mind if England make a big score in Sydney then Monty may have some fun on the last day with a big score to play with and plenty of men around the bat. However, Australia will end up chasing 100 at maximum. 
A Little Hard Work never killed anyone....but why take the chance?
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Did you see him geeing up the crowd after he got Symonds yesterday? It made my heart swell with joy.
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quote: Originally posted by DJ_Smerk: Panesar is serious class, and should definetly be Englands main spin option for many years to come. Monty is a great guy and is showing his potential in both India and Australia. He'll be key when England play Windies and India at home and will be essential in Sri Lanka on turning tracks and on everywhere else. His confidence is raising by each game and his good game aggression passion is being shown, its not putting him off though just focusing him and the team more. I can see Monty turning the windies inside out, bar maybe Gayle and Lara who play spin very well. (May undo Gayle with ease at times because he rarely uses his feet). We may see Fireworks with Lara vs Panesar. It'll be a good contest. As for India, we know what happened in Monty's opening series, Tendulkar will look for Revenge but Monty will be out to show hes improved since then and will be very willing and eager to bowl at Tendulkar and Dravid, to show the skipper and the Public that hes much better than when he began. Finally, the Sri Lankan tour, should be a much easier tour than this current Australia tour for him, I would definetly partner Monty with Dalrymple on that tour. Because I expect Chandana will accompany Muralitharan for it. Overall, hes a sensational find for England, its a pity he hasnt shown how well he does on final day pitches because Englands batting has been very lack lustre and lazy this series. In my mind if England make a big score in Sydney then Monty may have some fun on the last day with a big score to play with and plenty of men around the bat. However, Australia will end up chasing 100 at maximum.
If Monty is anything like you Smerk then all he does is talk too much! |
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quote: Originally posted by Comical Smoking Monkey:
Isn't he. Should have had 3 for certain, maybe 4 or 5. Unlucky in the 1st innings at the MCG and bar an over against pipe-cleaner head in the 1st Perth innings and one even crazier one from the Earl of Tonksville in the 2nd he's performed quite impeccably.
I really did tell you all so. Shame Swanny never got a chance, we'd probably be a better ODI side for him...
Well in comparison to the rest of the English bowling line up yes.
~Due to budget cutbacks, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off~
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quote: Originally posted by Comical Smoking Monkey: quote: Originally posted by lardbucket:
A great prospect. Keep him out of the ODIs.
Why? He's useful in them on occasions.
As you wish, but he'll decline as a Test performer. |
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quote: Originally posted by Rowman: quote: Originally posted by DJ_Smerk: Panesar is serious class, and should definetly be Englands main spin option for many years to come. Monty is a great guy and is showing his potential in both India and Australia. He'll be key when England play Windies and India at home and will be essential in Sri Lanka on turning tracks and on everywhere else. His confidence is raising by each game and his good game aggression passion is being shown, its not putting him off though just focusing him and the team more. I can see Monty turning the windies inside out, bar maybe Gayle and Lara who play spin very well. (May undo Gayle with ease at times because he rarely uses his feet). We may see Fireworks with Lara vs Panesar. It'll be a good contest. As for India, we know what happened in Monty's opening series, Tendulkar will look for Revenge but Monty will be out to show hes improved since then and will be very willing and eager to bowl at Tendulkar and Dravid, to show the skipper and the Public that hes much better than when he began. Finally, the Sri Lankan tour, should be a much easier tour than this current Australia tour for him, I would definetly partner Monty with Dalrymple on that tour. Because I expect Chandana will accompany Muralitharan for it. Overall, hes a sensational find for England, its a pity he hasnt shown how well he does on final day pitches because Englands batting has been very lack lustre and lazy this series. In my mind if England make a big score in Sydney then Monty may have some fun on the last day with a big score to play with and plenty of men around the bat. However, Australia will end up chasing 100 at maximum.
If Monty is anything like you Smerk then all he does is talk too much!
Thanks Row!  You can use the ignore button in future
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quote: Originally posted by lardbucket:
As you wish, but he'll decline as a Test performer.
I see it only improving him myself. He needs to feed his mind with every situation. He has already said it has helped him in his bowling, keeping a batsman at one end and the pressure on. Although, he couldn't do that DU - I blame Fred's spineless fields however, could milk him for singles... |
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I think the ODI game is death to finger spinners. The wickets are too flat; they're encouraged to bowl flat darts that tail into the pads ... everything you don't want attacking finger spinners to do.
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quote: Originally posted by lardbucket:
I think the ODI game is death to finger spinners. The wickets are too flat; they're encouraged to bowl flat darts that tail into the pads ... everything you don't want attacking finger spinners to do.
When I've seen him last season, he got muntered in his first game. Then he was getting set to by Lou Vincent and moreso Graeme Hick and he just lobbed it up more and bowled them both. Of course, he had a captain who knows how to handle him. I see what you're saying though, totally - I just think the more training and learning he does, the better he will become. |
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I just don't think it's worth the risk ... not when you've got others who can do a serviceable job in ODI's (Loudon, Dalrymple, the fat waster from Somerset, and Udal).
Save Monty for Tests, I think. It's not as though you're going to win the World Cup, anyway (there's a fateful woof if ever there was one). You haven't had a prospect like Monty for a generation; it'd be a shame to stuff it up.
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quote: Originally posted by lardbucket:
I just don't think it's worth the risk ... not when you've got others who can do a serviceable job in ODI's (Loudon, Dalrymple, the fat waster from Somerset, and Udal).
Save Monty for Tests, I think. It's not as though you're going to win the World Cup, anyway (there's a fateful woof if ever there was one). You haven't had a prospect like Monty for a generation; it'd be a shame to stuff it up.
I think actually that Fletcher and his crew(for once) got it right. We can produce some dibblers who keep it relatively cheap, but I think Fletch wants an attacking spinner as the useless likes of Dalrympole and Blackpuddingwell can go at 4 an over but have as much chance as me of taking wickets for England. With the fact our fast bowlers are poor and can't take OD(or any) wickets - someone's got to. We can't have the likes of thousands of random opposition batsmen getting an easy, easy ride in the middle overs. |
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Well, I hope you're right. He seems resilient, and he seems his own man. I'd hate to see him become a Vettori clone.
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quote: Originally posted by lardbucket:
I think the ODI game is death to finger spinners. The wickets are too flat; they're encouraged to bowl flat darts that tail into the pads ... everything you don't want attacking finger spinners to do.
Totally agree. And bad traits such as the flat dart syndrome have a habit of lingering and reappearing in Tests. Piles is a prime example. |
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quote: agree.
And bad traits
That's a Fletcher trait. I'm slightly worried. Case point - last year, on the India tour, Fletcher tried to ruin Panesar's bowling and by the 3rd Test he was a medium pacer like Giles to some extent. Get him back to Kepler, a couple of weeks with him and he's taking 1st innings michelles and bowling with some loop. Goes on to take quite a few in the 7 summer Tests. So in essence, leaving him with Flecther is a bad, bad thing.... |
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Hopefully that period won't extend beyond WC'07 as Feltch seekd new challenges ...
But yes, I'd agree, there was a definite manipulation of Monty's action (flatter, a shade quicker and fired in) as he progressed through the Pak/Ind tour.
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quote: Originally posted by Comical Smoking Monkey: quote: agree.
And bad traits
That's a Fletcher trait. I'm slightly worried. Case point - last year, on the India tour, Fletcher tried to ruin Panesar's bowling and by the 3rd Test he was a medium pacer like Giles to some extent. Get him back to Kepler, a couple of weeks with him and he's taking 1st innings michelles and bowling with some loop. Goes on to take quite a few in the 7 summer Tests. So in essence, leaving him with Flecther is a bad, bad thing....
Hasn't Kepler left Northants now?
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quote: Originally posted by Rob:
Hasn't Kepler left Northants now?
Certainly has Rob, left August I think. My point was not being with Wessels, it was being as far away from Fletcher as possible. |
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Not sure he had quite as much impact as you are making out- Montys always been pretty quick through the air.
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quote: Originally posted by Rob:
Not sure he had quite as much impact as you are making out- Montys always been pretty quick through the air.
Which one? Kepler is pretty much his mentor. As for Fletch, not sure what you mean, it's not to do with the speed he makes him bowl - which is a little faster(61mph instead of 56ish) it's the flatness of the trajectory and I know it's a fact because David Parsons came out and said so. Makes a decent amount of difference in his game. Right-handers can play the quicker flatter ball off their legs much easier and they know that they wont get beaten on both edges. |
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Nick Cook I thought said that he bowled like that when he came into the 2nd XI?
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quote: Originally posted by Rob:
Nick Cook I thought said that he bowled like that when he came into the 2nd XI?
Hmm, not that I know of or ever saw. I watched the 2nds when Monsta came on the scene, was the summer after I graduated - had alot of time on my hands. He's always lobbed it up there as far as I remember, Bishan had given him advice at that time... |
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