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quote: As regards Shane - MY Mother DID It - Warne, should have been banned for two years had the CA following WADA regulations
I can't believe you're bringing that up after the PCB have lifted their bans after, what, two months? |
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quote: There does however seem to be an influx of pakpassion morons whenever something involves pakistan like to quote everything under the sun to prove them innocent.
And your lack of ability to disprove their points makes you an even bigger moron. Now get back in your box and shut the lid tight. |
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I can't see your argument - Linf, Dougie, Mark Rich are all drug cheats so the 'Pakistani 2' are OK to continue. Explain.
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quote: Originally posted by Hasan1:
Linford Christie, Mark Richardson and Dougie Walker were also acquited after testing positive. What you fail to understand is that the basis upon which WADA has defined its regulations is doubtful. And the inconsistent nature of such cases proves that the law is an ass.
Its not PCB which is to blame but WADA what has failed to update its regulations in line with scientific understanding and discovery.
As regards Shane - MY Mother DID It - Warne, should have been banned for two years had the CA following WADA regulations. WADA was highly critical of CA for only banning him for one year. This should prove that CA also do not put a great deal of importance WADA.
You can keep banging the same drum. Or trying to shift the blame to WADA, CA, Warne, His mum the man in the chemists or however you want to. End of the day. PCB messed it up, handled it in a farcicle manner. You've got two drug cheats in your side who should be undertaking a ban. Deal with it.  You also cannot use CA as an arguement as the DID actually BAN Warne for a year. Something your board failed to do, on the it was not in competition and I didn't know what I was taking points. Pffft!
**** DC Nash for Ingerlaand****
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quote: I can't believe you're bringing that up after the PCB have lifted their bans after, what, two months?
It seems that you do not know much about the case do you, it was not the PCB which acquitted them but an independent tribunal, which included a representitive from WADA. |
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quote: It seems that you do not know much about the case do you
To be honest, I don't know about the finer points. However, it is still embarassing. |
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quote: End of the day. PCB messed it up, handled it in a farcicle manner. You've got two drug cheats in your side who should be undertaking a ban. Deal with it.
I am dealing with it quite well and very much enjoyed Asif's performance in the last test match. I view them in the same light as I was Mummy's Boy. It seems that you have failed to resolve the issues at your end. |
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quote: Originally posted by Hasan1: quote: I can't believe you're bringing that up after the PCB have lifted their bans after, what, two months?
It seems that you do not know much about the case do you, it was not the PCB which acquitted them but an independent tribunal, which included a representitive from WADA.
Independant tribunal appointed by the PCB, with a former test cricketer, a retired judge and a guy who is high up in sports medicine, who actually said the acquittal went against doping guidleines and rules..... He also said they were acquitted because they didn't know what they were taking - no defence He also said that they didn't know if it was Inzi's or Ahktars sample in the end. Of course the whole procedure was ship shape and in no way run in a farcicle and embarrassing manor.
**** DC Nash for Ingerlaand****
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quote: Originally posted by Hasan1: quote: End of the day. PCB messed it up, handled it in a farcicle manner. You've got two drug cheats in your side who should be undertaking a ban. Deal with it.
I am dealing with it quite well and very much enjoyed Asif's performance in the last test match. I view them in the same light as I was Mummy's Boy. It seems that you have failed to resolve the issues at your end.
Its good to see your happy for cheats to prosper. But then following your arguement so far I would expect nothing less! 
**** DC Nash for Ingerlaand****
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quote: To be honest, I don't know about the finer points. However, it is still embarassing.
Why, it was a just and fair decision. Would you rather have two careers wasted on the back of a discredited set of regulations? The problem lies with WADA they need to bring their regulations in line with current expert opinion, if not they should not expect national bodies to ban players on the basis of questionable evidence. In this particular case the food supplements both these players were taken (which were not on WADA's list) had been proven to include ban Steroids. This to me is a perfectly justifiable defence. |
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quote: Its good to see your happy for cheats to prosper. But then following your arguement so far I would expect nothing less!
As I said I am as happy with the validity of these two players as you (and the wider cricketing world) are with the validaity of Shane - MY Mother DID It - Warne. So in a way we both agree!!! |
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Fair enough, you like cheats. Please don't liken one bloke taking a year ban for taking a diuretic and paying his dues, to steroid taking which they barely even pay the price at all.
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quote: Originally posted by Hasan1: quote: There does however seem to be an influx of pakpassion morons whenever something involves pakistan like to quote everything under the sun to prove them innocent.
And your lack of ability to disprove their points makes you an even bigger moron. Now get back in your box and shut the lid tight.
The only part of the appeals decision that there was a majority agreement on was that the PCB apparently didn't make it clear to the players that they weren't supposed to take banned substanced, or supplements that contained banned substanced (although what they thought they were to do with banned substances remains a mystery). As Shoaib was the public figure-head for the PCB's anti-doping campaign, how could he claim not to have known anything? That sort of a defence basically amounts to one of, "I'm really stupid and have the attention span of a leaf, so, where was I? Space invaders, discos....Oh yes, therefore I'm innocent." This is apart from the fact that both Shoaib and Asif have had to sign documents when playing county cricket that states they understand their anti-doping policies and banned substance list, so this time their defences boil down to, "We're complete muppets and regularly sign documents we don't read first, so if anyone wants to fleece us of our millions, here's your chance." Take your pick - either way it's an unmitigated farce. |
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quote: Would you rather have two careers wasted on the back of a discredited set of regulations?
Asif has got about 10 years ahead of him. As for, Shoaib, I'm way past caring about his career. |
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quote: Originally posted by Comical Smoking Monkey:
Fair enough, you like cheats. Please don't liken one bloke taking a year ban for taking a diuretic and paying his dues, to steroid taking which they barely even pay the price at all.
Interesting they were taking a supplement that had been proven to contain steroids. So they were actually taking Roids and hence should be banned. But aren't because it was handled farcicly.
**** DC Nash for Ingerlaand****
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quote: Originally posted by Moist Pudding: quote: Originally posted by Hasan1: quote: There does however seem to be an influx of pakpassion morons whenever something involves pakistan like to quote everything under the sun to prove them innocent.
And your lack of ability to disprove their points makes you an even bigger moron. Now get back in your box and shut the lid tight.
The only part of the appeals decision that there was a majority agreement on was that the PCB apparently didn't make it clear to the players that they weren't supposed to take banned substanced, or supplements that contained banned substanced (although what they thought they were to do with banned substances remains a mystery). As Shoaib was the public figure-head for the PCB's anti-doping campaign, how could he claim not to have known anything? That sort of a defence basically amounts to one of, "I'm really stupid and have the attention span of a leaf, so, where was I? Space invaders, discos....Oh yes, therefore I'm innocent." This is apart from the fact that both Shoaib and Asif have had to sign documents when playing county cricket that states they understand their anti-doping policies and banned substance list, so this time their defences boil down to, "We're complete muppets and regularly sign documents we don't read first, so if anyone wants to fleece us of our millions, here's your chance." Take your pick - either way it's an unmitigated farce.
Finer points or not. Whether they should be playing or not. I cannot believe he is still argueing it was handled properly, and wasn't a farce!
**** DC Nash for Ingerlaand****
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They will be playing test cricket tomorrow, and what you believe today will be irrelevant tomorrow.
You have as much power and authority to claim that they are cheats as I have of beliving that Warne's mother is innocent and that it was the fat cheat who knowing took diuretic to mask a the cocktails of steriods that he was taking to recover from a career threatening injury.
Reality of the position is that his credibility is on par with those of Shoaib and Asif. And that is a reality which all of us will have to live with. And just to prove this point please turn on to the match between Pakistan and South Africa and if you see either or both of them playing realise that I have passed some wisdom your way.
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Wisdom hardly. Pointing out the obvious perhaps. Your obvious hate for Warne FACT! Warne will always be classed as a drug cheat however he will also be known as a man who took his 1 year ban for his cheating, whereas the 'pakistani 2' will allways be known as men who through a farcicle state of affairs never served the bans that most know they should.
**** DC Nash for Ingerlaand****
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quote: Originally posted by Hasan1:
You have as much power and authority to claim that they are cheats as I have of beliving that Warne's mother is innocent and that it was the fat cheat who knowing took diuretic to mask a the cocktails of steriods that he was taking to recover from a career threatening injury.
which part of 'warne served a one-year ban' dont you understand? please come back with a better argument. facts are 1. they took drugs 2. they have admitted to taking the drugs what is their defence? ignorance? when has ignorance of the law ever been a defence in a credible trial? even taking forward this humorous defence, what facts were presented to prove that they had absolutely no idea that they are responsible for what they take? |
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I haven't even bothered to read this thread. i saw this story in the paper this morning and killed myself laughing.
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quote: Originally posted by Hasan1:
it was not the PCB which acquitted them but an independent tribunal,
Give that the even the Prime Minister of Pakistan is not independent, the assertion that the tibunal actually nominated and appointed by PCB was indepedent lacks any credibility |
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quote: Originally posted by Hasan1:
They will be playing test cricket tomorrow, and what you believe today will be irrelevant tomorrow.
If you truly believed that you wouldn't be here trying to change people's minds. It's clear that this has tarnished pakistan cricket very badly and you can pretend you don't care what the outside world thinks of your teams conduct but it's as plain as day that you do. |
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