I don't think any of the teams had this professional approach even about 15 years back!

So its good that Pak has at least started on that road. India hasn't even started and isn't thinking about it either!

So what you are saying is that Indian team should get a fast bowling coach. BTW Wasim helped Irfan in AUS and after that he had a very successful tour of PAK(2004)! Irfan's loss of pace was possibly caused by the side strain.

I must say that after the recent test series against PAK the Indian pace attack was looking very ordinary! None of them seemed to be anyway near the test standard but now with the emergence of Sreesanth and Munaf i think IND will start to do a lot better!

According to Imran Khan, the grip of Irfan Pathan is mostly what the others bowlers have for a slower delivery. Its then that Sanjay Manjrekar, the show anchor, got an email from Harsha to be informed that Irfan acquired that grip deliberately to get swing at the cost of pace.

I don't have any knowledge about grips. So I could just listen to them! No inquisitive emails from me!!

And that grip of Irfans came from Wasim Akram who used to bowl with a similar grip.

Wasim could afford to do so because his pace came from his extremely quick arm action.

Do you remember his average speed on the tour of PAK in 2004?

Yes. iIt was 123-125 kmph.

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Originally posted by *Chandan*:
Yes. iIt was 123-125 kmph.

oh that's slow!
I recently read that Chappell thinks that Pathan has gone downhill because he tries to bowl too fast!

Don't believe too much on what media says. I've never heard Chappell say such ridiculous thing, whenever he is on TV.

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Originally posted by *Chandan*:
Don't believe too much on what media says. I've never heard Chappell say such ridiculous thing, whenever he is on TV.

Well, he has said that Pathan tries too hard, in an interview with DJones.

Trying too hard, and trying to bowl faster are completely different things in my opinion.

Even we could see that Pathan was experimenting a lot, and hence not sticking to one plan! But I never got the feeling that he was trying to bowl too fast!

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Originally posted by *Chandan*:
Trying too hard, and trying to bowl faster are completely different things in my opinion.

Even we could see that Pathan was experimenting a lot, and hence not sticking to one plan! But I never got the feeling that he was trying to bowl too fast!

same here.
anyways why isn't VRV Singh playing in AUS?

Because the selectors chose him for Indian test team when India A team was chosen! It'd have been much better for him to play here in the foreign conditions!

I think there's a lot of journalistic poetry going on about Irfan Pathan. IMO, he can't and won't be dropped for a full series. He'll get wiser and stop taking advice from a 100 different contradicting, well-wishing experts and find his own signature, which he can stick to in comfort. However, I too am beginning to doubt his value in tests but maybe I'm a little premature in saying that. Having said that and purely by gut feeling, I wouldn't want India in SA without him in the test team.

the management are responsible for pathans decline. he hadn't even established himself as a test class bowler when they started using him as an all-rounder, batting him at 3 on a regular basis even opening ffs. too much too early and its all gone wrong.

Yeah, that's a good point. I think too there's a side effect calling for him in all situations. He's been bowled stale with sometimes up to 10 overs on the run. I hope the rest has done him good and playing in the coming series with just the white ball may bring some confidence back to him.

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Originally posted by Ash:
the management are responsible for pathans decline. he hadn't even established himself as a test class bowler when they started using him as an all-rounder, batting him at 3 on a regular basis even opening ffs. too much too early and its all gone wrong.

Yes. Was made the spearhead too early in his career, when probably he never was meant to be one. Too much pressure on very inexperienced shoulders.

cant blame the management too much for that. in the subcon quite a few young players are thrown in at the deep end. some succeed, some dont. so i disagree that becoming the spearhead was too much for the team to expect, but i do agree that his batting was brought into prominence too soon

pathan has limitations as a bowler, its much too obvious in tests, so i dont think its all mental. i think people should first lower their expectations and decide what role is best suited for him. hyping him up as the next akram, when he isnt even a vaas, was extremely unfortunate for him

For me Irfan's bulking up has slowed down the rotation speed of his shoulder, don't think it has to do anything with how the ball is being held.

Is there any chance that VRV can become a decent bowler with the ability to derive good bounce from the pitch, with right training and a bit of experience in FC cricket all round the world with the A team?

this thread is similar to Indian bowlers - second page and already waning and looking tired.

YoMahesh and I Sharma are two U-19 bowlers, worth keeping an eye on!

Kapil was pretty speedy.

Fetty Cheese or Fettymin!

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Originally posted by PeterCS:
Kapil was pretty speedy.

Come on!!

We're talking about the current crop!

Kapil in his early days was quite brisk. By todays speed gun, he would have been mid to late 130's for sure.


Chandan..... did you read Ganguly's latest outburst?