Surely their injury management is working fine...getting great results.
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I think it's safe to say that the English method of treating fast bowlers like babies is failing. I think Duncan Fletcher is a big problem here (read what he's said about bowlers like Simon Jones and you'll see what i mean).
As Bob Willis said the other day...the English management is obsessed with easing the workload on fast bowlers, yet the only real way to get fit and strong enough to bowl without getting injured is to 'consistently' bowl a lot of overs (i.e. not just bowling 40 overs in a match and then resting for three weeks). No amount of gym work can replicate the stresses of fast bowling.
Pakistan lead the way with regards to injury mis-management. You only have to see the shambles surrounding the Shoaib Akhtar and Naved Ul Hasan injuries. Check out cric-info, they report the PCB's team misdiagnosed Rana's injury. Sheer incompetence but then again this has been the case for years with the PCB. I'm convinced Shoaib would have been around for the 1st test should they have done their homework properly.
Originally posted by gh05: I think it's safe to say that the English method of treating fast bowlers like babies is failing. I think Duncan Fletcher is a big problem here (read what he's said about bowlers like Simon Jones and you'll see what i mean).
As Bob Willis said the other day...the English management is obsessed with easing the workload on fast bowlers, yet the only real way to get fit and strong enough to bowl without getting injured is to 'consistently' bowl a lot of overs (i.e. not just bowling 40 overs in a match and then resting for three weeks). No amount of gym work can replicate the stresses of fast bowling.
10 years ago everyone was saying exactly the opposite!
I don't think Dean Headley, Darren Gough, Angus Fraser and all the other bowlers of the 90's who broke down due to the County Cricket treadmill would agree.
10 years ago everyone was saying exactly the opposite!
I don't think Dean Headley, Darren Gough, Angus Fraser and all the other bowlers of the 90's who broke down due to the County Cricket treadmill would agree.
I think we've gone from one extreme to the other. What's your take on it Gary? Do you think that the current crop of English fast bowlers should be playing more or less cricket, or is the balance just right currently? Why do you think our bowlers are so injury prone (bar Hoggard)?
I don't agree with the old county pros, who say "I bowled 8 million overs a season and it never did me any harm..." Fast bowling is very hard on the body, so I think the current system of resting players is probably for the best.
I reckon you can get 83mph bowlers like Hoggard and Glenn McGrath who can keep going and going, but any quicker than that and injuries are going to be an occupational hazard. Its not just England, people like Shane Bond, Gillespie, Shoaib, Fidel Edwards, etc. have all had their fair share of injuries.
You've just got to try and be as healthy as posible, balanced diet, regular exercise and blend of gym work and net practice - Brett Lee is the best example here, but even he's had injuries. Some bowler's actions don't help either, but if you change these often you lose what makes the bowler effective. Si Jones action is very stressful on his body, Flintoff really hammers his front foot into the crease as well.
Apart from that then having a conveyor-belt of fast bowlers, ready to step in is probably the best answer.
Strange however that all these injuries that afflict quicks today seemed to have escaped denting those WIndian fast bowlers of the 70's and 80's.
Sure, they had the conveyor belt rolling them out by the brace, (always a few in reserve) nevertheless, one didn't hear much of Marshall or Holding or Garner or Ambrose or Daniel being sidelined through stress fractures or knee gyps or the like. Only Walsh, of the last bunch, was prone to injury ... playing as he was late into the 90's.
Originally posted by merlin: Strange however that all these injuries that afflict quicks today seemed to have escaped denting those WIndian fast bowlers of the 70's and 80's.
Sure, they had the conveyor belt rolling them out by the brace, (always a few in reserve) nevertheless, one didn't hear much of Marshall or Holding or Garner or Ambrose or Daniel being sidelined through stress fractures or knee gyps or the like. Only Walsh, of the last bunch, was prone to injury ... playing as he was late into the 90's.
Perhaps they bowled through injuries that sends some current bowlers to the treatment table.
Originally posted by gh05: I think it's safe to say that the English method of treating fast bowlers like babies is failing. I think Duncan Fletcher is a big problem here (read what he's said about bowlers like Simon Jones and you'll see what i mean).
As Bob Willis said the other day...the English management is obsessed with easing the workload on fast bowlers, yet the only real way to get fit and strong enough to bowl without getting injured is to 'consistently' bowl a lot of overs (i.e. not just bowling 40 overs in a match and then resting for three weeks). No amount of gym work can replicate the stresses of fast bowling.
Can we take it for granted that all the English bowlers do enough gym work?
Originally posted by merlin: Strange however that all these injuries that afflict quicks today seemed to have escaped denting those WIndian fast bowlers of the 70's and 80's.
Sure, they had the conveyor belt rolling them out by the brace, (always a few in reserve) nevertheless, one didn't hear much of Marshall or Holding or Garner or Ambrose or Daniel being sidelined through stress fractures or knee gyps or the like. Only Walsh, of the last bunch, was prone to injury ... playing as he was late into the 90's.
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