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Graph of the Match

This is a graph of the match, measuring runs and wickets.

It is quite representative.

England took early wickets in the first innings after which the Pakster middle order dominated. England batted competently in their first innings, staying with Pakistan, continuing to compete in the match, not conceding the first inning advantage. In the second innings, Pakistan briefly sought to dominate, trying to run up a lead and reached 163/3 because England came back with 6/106 to hold Pakistan. Early in the 4th innings, Pakistan were on top and had England reeling at 20/4, which explains the horizontal portion in the English line near the 120 mark, but Englad fought back well from there, pulling things back to 164/6 (134/2 from then on).


So its pretty representative.


What the graph reveals is that the Test Match finished with one side, probably Pakistan poised to make the kill. But that kill wasnt made yet. The last 2 hours of the game represented strong English recovery.


Karti bhai i greatly appreciate all the time that you spent trying to figure out the ranking system, those graphs surely look impressive but i must say that i don't agree with it at all! The reason is quite simple when play was stopped due to bad light ENG still needed 121 runs to win with only 4 wickets in hand yet your rating suggest that ENG got more points than PAK!



Yeh..... Pak still had to take 4 wickets to win.

If we go back to when England were 20/4 (if the match had ended there), then the rating would have been England 0.485, Pakistan 0.515

The point is this...... what this method does is calculates what actually happened, rather than calculating what might have happened.


Pakistan needed 4 out of 10 wickets to win, but hadnt actually gotten them. Indeed, for their last 2 wickets, they had labored over 144 english runs.

As the graph shows, Pakistan were running away with it at 20/4 in the 4th innings, but they didnt.


So its fair. It just so happens that it ends up at 164/6.

If it had ended at say 164/8, then it would have ended 0.515 - 0.484 in favor of Pakistan.

If it had ended with 164 all out, then

It would have ended 0.685 - 0.314 in favor of Pakistan (adding the Win Bonus, which is the average points secured per team in the match)

So the rating cannot take into account what could have happened, it does take into account what did happen.



So it sounds to me that you are penalizing PAK for having ENG 20 for 4! You said your system doesn't predict what could have happened but my friend the bottom line is that when play stopped ENG chasing 285 to win still required 121 runs to get with only 4 wickets in hand yet ENG still end up with more points. If we do a poll then i am sure that most people will agree with me that there is no way ENG deserved more points than PAK.



It doesnt matter what a poll says. A rating doesn't have to refer to any assumed reality, thats why you need a rating.

England are not getting more points than Pakistan.

If you say that England needed only 121 runs to win, while Pakistan needed only 4 wickets, i would point out that while Pakistan took the first 4 wickets for 20 runs, then next 2 took them 144 runs. So when the match ended, the trend was towards a England recovery.


I would ask you not to judge the result, but judge the method. I think you have seen the method.
 
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England are not getting more points than Pakistan.

This is from your post

"Pakistan total points - 134.258
England total points - 134.769"


Now let's play cricket......
 
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England are not getting more points than Pakistan.

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"Pakistan total points - 134.258
England total points - 134.769"


Sorry thats a slight error.

England 133.843
Pakistan 134.257

I checked my spreadsheet.
 
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Karti, satisfy my curiosity please.

I don't want details, just yes or no answers.

Do you have...

  • A wife? No
  • A girlfriend? No
  • A job? Yes
  • Anything else to do with your time other than pore over cricket stats? Yes

    And i study as well....

Wish I'd been able to put money on what your answers were going to be...
 
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Yes there is a strong inverse relationship between wives/girlfriends and cricket stats.

I wish they would have a dating section on every cricket site
 
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