Good article, IMO. Yes, he IS Sachin and all that, but it's time he stepped up and became a role-model of hard work, much like Dravid.
I'm not saying that he doesn't work hard, but he HAS to go through the fitness test, if not to prove his fitness, then to prove that he's not above being a team man. If everyone else has to go through a fitness test, so must, IMO, SRT.
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I guess that they still had concerns with the throwing arm and probably decided it was too dangerous to really test. But that kind of makes you wonder about the people / motives behind such actions.
And why pull the plug so late ! This is why many are suspicious about commercial interests and power brokers driving some the player agenda in Indian Cricket.
another day in the office for the bcci. though the end result is the same, i.e. sachin is fit, they should think before they speak. if they were going to reply on gloster's report (which is fine imo) why did they say there will be a test? the admin is quite a joke
Originally posted by viru: Good article, IMO. Yes, he IS Sachin and all that, but it's time he stepped up and became a role-model of hard work, much like Dravid.
I'm not saying that he doesn't work hard, but he HAS to go through the fitness test, if not to prove his fitness, then to prove that he's not above being a team man. If everyone else has to go through a fitness test, so must, IMO, SRT.
Maybe because hes already been playing cricket for a month?
And maybe because hes probably communicating daily with the Indian Team physios and fitness trainers?
And maybe because when the Captain met him at the Oval he was convinced of his fitness?
Also, read this report.... i quote from this article:
"Tendulkar has been declared fit by team physiotherapist John Gloster in a report to the Board of Control for Cricket in India, said Niranjan Shah, the board secretary. "Tendulkar has been undergoing a graded physical testing of his right shoulder for the last five days under the supervision of physiotherapist Gloster and has made satisfactory progress to make him available for selection for the upcoming tour of Sri Lanka," Shah said in a statement.
The guy who would conduct the fitness Test (Gloster), declared him fit. Probably because Glosters been dealing with his recovery all this while.
Originally posted by The One: another day in the office for the bcci. though the end result is the same, i.e. sachin is fit, they should think before they speak. if they were going to reply on gloster's report (which is fine imo) why did they say there will be a test? the admin is quite a joke
Besides - Gloster might have felt there was no need for a fitness test, and the BCCI might have subsequently scrapped it.
Wont stop Josh from alluding to "commercial interests" though. That particular suggestion has a lot of to do with the tendencies, attitudes and standards of the person making the suggestion, rather than events.
I mean - if you think someone who makes 606 runs in 5 innings is not physically fit, youve got to be kidding.
The answer is simple - theres enough cumulative evidence to waive a Test and save some of Tendulkars time and Glosters time.
Besides - as i said - when you have special players you have to give them special leeway. The rules in such matter have to be different for a 33 year old champion cricketer who has on occasion played through injury and delayed treatment (probably at great cost to himself), because the team needed him, and a newcomer, whos untried, untested at international level.
So yes - there cannot be the exact same standards applied.
This argument - among other people was made strenously by Gary Sobers in 1972-73 before the Australian series in the West Indies.
Sobers didn't play because the West Indies board refused to believe he was fit (even though Sobers had on occasion played when he was unfit, simply because the West Indies needed him, especially in the late 1960's), Australia won - and Ian Chappell (captain of Australia) called it a hollow victory because Sobers didn't play.
Im all for great players being treated differently in these matters, as long as they adhere to basic levels of performance and fitness (which Tendulkar has, and Ganguly didnt).
Applying the same rules to Munaf Patel and Sachin Tendulkar , or even Suresh Raina and Sachin Tendulkar (both specialist batsmen) is ludicrous.
i understand different standards for different players. but why have the fitness test scheduled if gloster's report is all that mattered? seems like incompetence to me. they should have waited before announcing a fitness test
I get the distict impression that some people dont like Sachin much.
As far as other interests being a factor, Do any of you honestly believe Sachin will force himself back if he is not completely fit? If thast the case, why did he not come to WI tour?
The most dangerous person in the world is a person with Half-knowledge and that seems to be the case with a few on these forums.
And if are gonna question the integrity of a player who served his country for over 16 years like Sachin has, you better have a damn good proof. Or all you are gonna do is make a complete fool of urself.
Originally posted by The One: i understand different standards for different players. but why have the fitness test scheduled if gloster's report is all that mattered? seems like incompetence to me. they should have waited before announcing a fitness test
Probably because thats what the book says. Then Gloster says it isnt necessary, basically because theres nothing more that he can learn about Tendulkar anymore after 4 months of injury management and rehab, and they decide to scrap the test.
Its down to the fact that the Selection Committee selects the Team, Gloster decides the fitness, and Shah is required to keep the press at bay.
There should be a daily BCCI press briefing and thats all that the press should get from them.
Originally posted by mready: I get the distict impression that some people dont like Sachin much.
As far as other interests being a factor, Do any of you honestly believe Sachin will force himself back if he is not completely fit? If thast the case, why did he not come to WI tour?
The most dangerous person in the world is a person with Half-knowledge and that seems to be the case with a few on these forums.
And if are gonna question the integrity of a player who served his country for over 16 years like Sachin has, you better have a damn good proof. Or all you are gonna do is make a complete fool of urself.
Nah..... the reason for him not touring the West Indies - as pointed out by a couple of Pakster forumers and one or two Indians was that he was scared of the lively wickets in the West Indies and Fidel Edwards and Jermaine Lawson..
You cant argue with these people mready. Just entertain yourself and humor their arguments from time to time..
But i agree TO..... once the Test was announced, Gloster and SRT should have shown up and gone thru the motions - given the press more soundbytes (which would have been published with the same excitement that one would see in breaking to story about the outcome of the General Election) - and everyone would be happy.
Then Mumbai Mirror would ask "Why was there a Test, if Glosters the one incharge of the rehab? Why is BCCI wasting money"
TO can see that something does not add up but is scared of exploring into the suggested motives given his undevoted adoration of the player in question.
Mready, you seem to want to take the easy way out by suggesting that it is personal likes and dislikes that are driving these suggestions. Not really. Prior to the WI tour there were all those confessions/reports about how match fit Sachin was based on some practice nets he had at MRF from memory. During this period he signed up another 10 year sponsorship reportedly worth another 30-40 mil $. But when the set day for the fitness came Sachin opted out without even going through the test as per that article.
Now a day ahead of the scheduled test the plug gets pulled, Sachin is declared fit and some wishy washy explanation is given. Don't you think that there is enough reason to suspect that the big dollars and sponsors behind Sachin band could have had something to do with this ?
Very interestingly the Mumbai Mirror article of that "link" has dissapeared. This only makes one more suspicious of some of these forces that are pulling Indian Cricket.
I want the best and fit Indian team to take the field. If Sachin is one of them great if not there are others it is not the end of the World.
If Sachin was this evil genius, he could have as well as taken the test and fake it. Since according to u everyone is in on this, who will ever know that he faked it?
You claim the reason to be wishy washy!?
If sachin according to the person who is supposed to conduct the test is fit, then why go through it? Unless u claim our physio too is in on this.
How Abt Dravid? Since he is the captain and not objecting he too is on this I guess. And so does the rest of our team.
Yeah..our PM should have objected to this too. Since he didnt he and his whole govt is in on this.
And last, How is it any of u'r or our concern how much money Sachin earns and what business deals are? Each and every sportsperson makes these sort of deals. Each and every one of them.
Lets not discuss Sachin the man. Discuss the cricketer in him. If he has not given 100% to team cause, I would too be in ur corner.
If sachin according to the person who is supposed to conduct the test is fit, then why
He could not have faked it. The test would have put him through the paces and tested his arm out more thoroughly than any charity match would have. That is why he did not take the test even the last time.
As for the rest of your post about everybody being in it and so on. You are saying that not me. All I am saying that there are enough grounds to be suspicious that there are some strings being pulled at the highest level, potentially driven by commercial interests. It does not mean that everybody is in it. If a directive comes from high up in BCCI then everybody complies they may not actually agree with it.
This is not about Sachin the man. It is the question of whether he is fully fit. If he is not fully fit I don't want him in the team.
He could not have faked it. The test would have put him through the paces and tested his arm out more thoroughly than any charity match would have. That is why he did not take the test even the last time.
He will go to the test, have a few drinks, enjoy himself. Physio since he is in on this will claim that Sachin indeed did go through the paces and is completely fit.
Can you tell me why Sachin couldn't have done this if he unfit?
This is not about Sachin the man. It is the question of whether he is fully fit. If he is not fully fit I don't want him in the team.
He is fully fit. Isn't that what physio said?
Its not a question of whether he is fit or not for you. You are imagining things and justifying to u'rself that Sachin is evil and hence should not be in team.
I wont believe a plot which says our whole Indian team is corrupt and in on a plot to get Sachin back to serve their own financial interests.
And its not u'r team. Its Dravid's team. Since he seems to having no problems, I dont see why anyone else should.
Tendulkar has made good progress after testing his right shoulder over the last five days under the supervision of John Gloster, the India team physio.
Tendulkar tested himself for 5 days under the supervision of the person who is supposed to conduct the test.
And you all want him to have another day of testing under the same person?!!
WHat would be the point of doing that? Just to prove a point to a few people? I dont think so.
Read this latest article from the Mumbai Mirror. How can he be fully fit if he cannot throw as before ? Not that it is a show stopper. Others have been able to get around with worse. What I am not happy about is the cover up statements.
Read this latest article from the Mumbai Mirror. How can he be fully fit if he cannot throw as before ? Not that it is a show stopper. Others have been able to get around with worse. What I am not happy about is the cover up statements.
I read the article, did u?
It says he will never be able to throw that way again, ever.
Either we accept that and Take him into the team or we dont.
So why do you care so much if it is all up to Dravid only. Answer is simple if there are no fans to support there won't be a team.
I honestly dont see how u'r implication that our captain, Vice-captain, coach, physio, selction panel and our senior most Player being corrupt amounts to supporting.
