It happened last season to the Windies, when they were on the wrong end of some terrible decisions in that series, like Lara in both innings at Brisbane and Hobart, and Sarwan at Adelaide. South Africa also got some roughie's, like the Langeveldt 'no ball' in Perth.
Now this season, its Englands turn to suffer at the hands of some atrocious umpiring in Australia. Its quite sickening how over the years Rudi Koertzen has so clearly been seduced into giving 50-50 decisions in Warne's favour because of his over the top appealing, and yet he turns down 3 PLUMB lbw's in Australia's innings today and yesterday.
Australia had 3 pretty good shouts in the England innings as well. It's just that you forget those when the batsman is out a couple of balls later anyway.
Hayden was plumb twice yesterday evening, Pontings would probably be given out 9 out of 10, Hayden survuved an extremely close shout against Panesar early today, and Symonds was plumb to Panesar soon after. None were given, at least 3 out of the 5 definetly should have been. Now wait for Rudi to give an extremely marginal LBW to a screaming, arm waving, red faced Warne in Englands second innings.
Umpiring/refereeing tends to favour the home team in pretty much every country and in every sport.
Doesn't say much for the quality of officialdom- but England have snagged plenty of dodgy decisions their way over the pst few summers. Swings, roundabouts and little bouncy pogo horses.
Originally posted by Mr Watermelon: Hayden was plumb twice yesterday evening, Pontings would probably be given out 9 out of 10, Hayden survuved an extremely close shout against Panesar early today, and Symonds was plumb to Panesar soon after. None were given, at least 3 out of the 5 definetly should have been. Now wait for Rudi to give an extremely marginal LBW to a screaming, arm waving, red faced Warne in Englands second innings.
Reminds me of how that blind dingbat Bucknor spoilt India's party down under in 2004 and also how Ashoker shocked the Indians out in Windies in 2002.
Originally posted by Toga: Umpiring/refereeing tends to favour the home team in pretty much every country and in every sport.
Doesn't say much for the quality of officialdom- but England have snagged plenty of dodgy decisions their way over the pst few summers. Swings, roundabouts and little bouncy pogo horses.
Yep. In the Eng v SL series this year Peitersen was plumb to Murali and Vaas a ridiculous number of times but wasn't given, and he went on to get a big hundred every time. Had the correct decisions been made Sri Lanka would have won that series.
Originally posted by Toga: Umpiring/refereeing tends to favour the home team in pretty much every country and in every sport.
Doesn't say much for the quality of officialdom- but England have snagged plenty of dodgy decisions their way over the pst few summers. Swings, roundabouts and little bouncy pogo horses.
Yep. In the Eng v SL series this year Peitersen was plumb to Murali and Vaas a ridiculous number of times but wasn't given, and he went on to get a big hundred every time. Had the correct decisions been made Sri Lanka would have won that series.
If England didn't drop 10(?) chances at Lords and prepared a wicket that would be at home in Kandy for the 3rd test they would have walked the series.
The umpiring wasn't great in the last Ashes either, but I don't think they influenced the outcomes of matches in the same way as they have this series, notably in Perth and now Melbourne.
It is amazing how the mythology of bad decisions takes on a life of its own. For example the so-called shockers lara got last year. The first one was according to hawkeye - out, the second looked as plumb as you like when it happened and only a forensic replay showed that it may have drifted past leg.
I also find it amusing that ppl are complaining about Koertzen - for years he has been reluctant to give lbws when the ball straightens down the line.
Hayden was plumb twice yesterday evening, Pontings would probably be given out 9 out of 10, Hayden survuved an extremely close shout against Panesar early today, and Symonds was plumb to Panesar soon after.
Originally posted by Stonewaller: The umpiring wasn't great in the last Ashes either, but I don't think they influenced the outcomes of matches in the same way as they have this series, notably in Perth and now Melbourne.
Koertzen is a woeful umpire, no doubt about it.
Can't influence the series more than a inncorect decision giving the series to England.
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Its still better than before there were neautral umpires.The majority of iffy decisions now go in the home teams favour worldwide as indeed they did for England in last years ashes and as they also do in rugby and football.The human brain is too easily swayed by the home crowd so the umpires cant help it.
If the series was close it could be serious but as England are so abysmal it doesn't matter.
Originally posted by Stonewaller: The umpiring wasn't great in the last Ashes either, but I don't think they influenced the outcomes of matches in the same way as they have this series, notably in Perth and now Melbourne.
Koertzen is a woeful umpire, no doubt about it.
Can't influence the series more than a inncorect decision giving the series to England.
There's not an umpire on the planet who wouldn't have given Kasper out
The thing that strikes me about Koertzen is the number of pretty straightforward decisions he gets wrong. Several times I've watched highlights coverage without knowing what happened, or else live play; the ball has hit the pad, I've raised my finger (often involuntarily shouting 'That's plumb!') only for Rudi to disagree with me. Hawkeye is then wheeled out, and proves me right.
The Collingwood one was particularly bad - if Colly had indeed missed it, he was OUT - if he had nicked it, Gilchrist had caught it anyway. I saw Dar give a similar thing not out last summer to Monty - lbw if he missed it, caught bat pad if he hadn't. Hayden was also extremely plumb to Hoggard before he'd got going.
Originally posted by Stonewaller: There's not an umpire on the planet who wouldn't have given Kasper out
Besides wasn't he lbw not given a while earlier but everyone forgets that escape? England had a host of very good lbw shouts turned down when the aussie openers were piling on the runs at the Oval, once they had been removed England ran through the aussies fairly quickly and had we got the openers given out when they were out lbw we could have been looking at winning the match not battling to save it.
Not sure I agree with a generalised "home advantage" regards umpires, England had a few for and against in the Ashes here in 2005 BUT we had plenty of calls in our favour in the Pakistan and Sri Lanka tours of 2000/1 not to mention Bucknor getting on Moin Khan's case over time wasting. Remember Nasser "the cheat" Hussain? Bat on ball to silly point TWICE in the 60s out in Sri Lanka and went on to make a hundred in a closely contested match that England narrowly won. The question wasn't "was he out?" but how on earth the umpire didn't see it let alone give it.
Talking of Nasser, any aussies care to remind us of that innings where he edged one but didn't walk and went on to a double? (I think it was a double)
Originally posted by syameese: It is amazing how the mythology of bad decisions takes on a life of its own. For example the so-called shockers lara got last year. The first one was according to hawkeye - out, the second looked as plumb as you like when it happened and only a forensic replay showed that it may have drifted past leg.
I also find it amusing that ppl are complaining about Koertzen - for years he has been reluctant to give lbws when the ball straightens down the line.
Are you kidding me?
Lara was sawned off three times in six innings.
In the 1st innings at the GABBA, Lee got him LBW with a ball that was going down leg. General consensus was an appalling decision.
Ist innings in Hobart saw the same thing with the ball missing leg and another set of stumps. So I don't see how it was just missing.
2nd innings in Hobart saw Lara caught by the keeper off Warne to a ball he missed by an inch.
Poms can whinge about a few LBW decisions in the 4th Test all they like but the reality is England have had their share of good fortune at the MCG and simply haven't been good enough to take advantage of it. It's Paul Collingwoods problem that he wasn't good enough to take advantage of a second chance when he was out LBW to Clark before he had scored a run in Englands first innings. Australia also dropped two catches and Gilchrist missed what should have been an easy stumping when Pietersen was batting yet England were still all out for 159. I don't doubt poms will clutch at straws and carry on with numerous threads whinging about umpires but at the end of the day Australia is the best team in the world and England is a distant second.
Originally posted by please: cook just survived the most plumb lbw of the test.
thats about 4 that have also gone england's way this test.
As I've said before, it's nobodys fault but England's that we capitalised on our good fortune while they couldn't. Strauss has been out LBW early on in both innings now and Collingwood was out twice, possibly even 3 times before we finally nailed him in the 1st innings.
