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Originally posted by Comical Smoking Monkey:

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Originally posted by holcs:
Danny, none of those bowlers are in the class of Mcgrath or Clarke (on form).

He does need some work, but it isn't as serious as I think your making it.

Look, he's had two jaffas all series. If you mean can those bowlers stick it on the spot like Pidge and Gump then I'd say if they wanted to they could do it enough to get him to waft/prod. Don't think they are in McGrath's class but are amongst the most accurate of the current/emerging crop.

See I disagree with you here. They may be accurate yes, but they are NOT as accurate as those two have been. And in a sense the reason he has wafted so much I think is because of THEIR unbelievable accuracy.

Those other bowlers will provide him with more outs to get off strike etc....

He needs to work at it yes, but he's not out on his ear, that too extreme.

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Originally posted by Mo-Mo:

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Originally posted by holcs:

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I don't see the Indian bowling to be anywhere near as potent as even the Pakistani lineup of the last couple of test last summer.

The Indian bowling attack is stronger than the Pakistani attack (without Asif/Shoiab, as was the case in England). This is primarily because Kumble will pose more of a threat than Kaneria...

But as you said, the Indian batting is not as formidable as in previous years, and this was one of the main reasons why England managed a drawn series away. However the current SA series could be a turning point for India's test fortunes...

In my post i mentioned the last 2 tests when both shoib and asif played.

Thats what I was referring too. But yes without those two India are probably slightly better, purely because of Kumble.

I realised you were referring to the "last 2 tests" but I think you're mistaken. Asif missed the first 3 tests and only played in the last test; meanwhile Shoiab did not feature at any point of the series.

Pakistan's attack for the 3rd test was Sami/Gul/Nazir/Kaneria - India definitely have the edge.

I am indeed your right. I could've sworn Shoib played. Ooops.

Cook has a clear technical fault, i thought mcgrath would expose it but it's really been clark that has.

he has the basic package but he needs to work on his defence/drive.

I gues england have to decide whether that's at county or test level.

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Originally posted by holcs:
See I disagree with you here. They may be accurate yes, but they are NOT as accurate as those two have been. And in a sense the reason he has wafted so much I think is because of THEIR unbelievable accuracy.

Those other bowlers will provide him with more outs to get off strike etc....

He needs to work at it yes, but he's not out on his ear, that too extreme.

They're only bowling to a plan Chas. Not shooting a gnat from 50 yards. It's sticking a ball there or thereabouts. He looks a cracking prospect, but if people are fit(knee and mind) then I expect him to be the one for the shove - unless he doesn't open anymore...

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Originally posted by Comical Smoking Monkey:

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Originally posted by holcs:
See I disagree with you here. They may be accurate yes, but they are NOT as accurate as those two have been. And in a sense the reason he has wafted so much I think is because of THEIR unbelievable accuracy.

Those other bowlers will provide him with more outs to get off strike etc....

He needs to work at it yes, but he's not out on his ear, that too extreme.

They're only bowling to a plan Chas. Not shooting a gnat from 50 yards. It's sticking a ball there or thereabouts. He looks a cracking prospect, but if people are fit(knee and mind) then I expect him to be the one for the shove - unless he doesn't open anymore...

I know. But no other bowlers in world cricket, bar maybe Pollock are anywhere near as unbelievably accurate as tgm and Gump have been.

I think we need to decide if we are talking pakistan with asif/shoaib/rana or without like they were vs england.

if it's without those guys india's is better.

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Originally posted by please:
I think we need to decide if we are talking pakistan with asif/shoaib/rana or without like they were vs england.

if it's without those guys india's is better.

Agree.

I agree - that's what I was saying.

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So... lets presume its a 5-0 whacking - what for the future??

The future is bright.
The future is Orange.
Holland to win WC 07.

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Originally posted by holcs:
I know. But no other bowlers in world cricket, bar maybe Pollock are anywhere near as unbelievably accurate as tgm and Gump have been.

Their success has been metronomic accuracy with the ball doing a little something either way off the seam. Cooks been pushing off on the straight ones. Bar England, most teams' bowlers can at the very least land the ball somewhere.

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Originally posted by Rob:
Jonty- no would only play FLints if he can bowl- not consistent enough with the willow to be a specialist batter.

Aye. It's just that you had him at 5 and I was puzzled by your thinking.
I'm curious about why most people are writing Saj off on here. He's not had much chance to impress or improve on this tour, but Michael Holding was saying that he's a fair bit faster than he looks because of the economy and fluidity of his action. He reckoned that he needs to work on his seam position, but more importantly he just needs more work generally to be a formidable bowler.
Surely the great man knows what he's on about?

Well it has to be fixed simple as that.

Hoping it's not exposed as most attacks aren't that good is the wrong way to think.

he's only 22 it's not like this can't be worked on and fixed pretty quickly.

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Originally posted by please:
Well it has to be fixed simple as that.

Hoping it's not exposed as most attacks aren't that good is the wrong way to think.

he's only 22 it's not like this can't be worked on and fixed pretty quickly.

Don't get me wrong. Work does need to be done. I just think that there is no need to chuck him out on his ear to sort it out. Surely he can have constant coaching to remedy th problem and still play, as the flaw is not as Major IMO against other opposition.

I wasn't advocating dumping him(unless treco and vaughan come back right away, which seems unlikely)

As I've already said- I would pick Key, in Trescos absence, and send Cook away for some TLC with Goochie. Key gave the WI some hammer in the last home series, and would add some much needed gumption to the top 3 which has been far too supine in the Ashes.

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As I've already said- I would pick Key, in Trescos absence, and send Cook away for some TLC with Goochie. Key gave the WI some hammer in the last home series, and would add some much needed gumption to the top 3 which has been far too supine in the Ashes.

Only because Feltch worked on the idea that 7,8,9,10 and Jack would notch up 200 plus every innings.

No, in retrospect they picked too defensive a combination at the top of the order- Keysie would have been a more attacking replacement for Tres. 8-11 is irrelevant in this context.

Ravi Bopara (Essex)
Stuart Broad (Leicestershire)
Rikki Clarke (Surrey)
James Dalrymple (Middlesex)
Steven Davies (Worcestershire)
Ed Joyce (Middlesex)
Robert Key (Kent)
Jon Lewis (Gloucs)
Graham Onions (Durham)
Matt Prior (Sussex)
Owais Shah (Middlesex)
Tom Smith (Lancashire)
Chris Tremlett (Hampshire
Mike Yardy (Sussex)

That was the Academy squad- only realistic batting options are Joyce, Key and Shah- wih the ball, Broad and possibly Tremlett.

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Originally posted by Rob:
No, in retrospect they picked too defensive a combination at the top of the order- Keysie would have been a more attacking replacement for Tres. 8-11 is irrelevant in this context.

perhaps in this context ...
but irrelevance was never considered by the selectors who were thus blinded by this need for runs by the tail.
I just hope its something that Feltch lives to regret.
After all, I cannot honestly remember our tail wagging all that convincingly during the 2005 series.... or last year!

I agree with your assessment of Blobby though.
Sadly, for unknown reasons, discarded.

wot, not your mate Rikki Clarke? Shhhock...

Kon Tikki?
Are you serious?
A slurreyslimeball my mate??

**desperately attempts to suppress hysterical laughter**

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Originally posted by RedDuster:
Kon Tikki?
Are you serious?
A slurreyslimeball my mate??

**desperately attempts to suppress hysterical laughter**

Neh, not ye - Robin. Reckons he's alright. I'd literally rather a 50yo Botham.

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Originally posted by Comical Smoking Monkey:

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Originally posted by RedDuster:
Kon Tikki?
Are you serious?
A slurreyslimeball my mate??

**desperately attempts to suppress hysterical laughter**

Neh, not ye - Robin. Reckons he's alright. I'd literally rather a 50yo Botham.

Whew ... briefly had me worried there.

Mind you ... Both's a wee bit of a porky these days. The protrusion resembling an expectant lassie with just 4 weeks to go.

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Originally posted by RedDuster:
Whew ... briefly had me worried there.

Mind you ... Both's a wee bit of a porky these days. The protrusion resembling an expectant lassie with just 4 weeks to go.

Probably eating sheds of cakes from being depressed about the fact he's incredibly pap.

And he did look ridiculously stoopid sitting beside his mate Pickle the Virgin pontificating about things of which he knows SFA.
I expected Both