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quote: 3 in subcontinent, at least 2 among 8th, 9th, 10th and then one is India itself. So how many countries are left that way?
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quote: Originally posted by Bulletproof...I Wish I Was: quote: 3 in subcontinent, at least 2 among 8th, 9th, 10th and then one is India itself. So how many countries are left that way?
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Indeed.
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Fourth Bruce: New-Bruce will be teaching political science; Machiavelli, Bentham, Locke, Hobbes, Sutcliffe, Bradman, Lindwall, Miller, Hassett, and Benaud.
Second Bruce: Those are all cricketers!
Fourth Bruce: Aww, spit!
Third Bruce: Howls of derisive laughter, Bruce!
Everybruce: Australia, Australia, Australia, Australia, we love you, Amen!
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quote: Originally posted by B@sil: quote: Originally posted by Mister Robby:
Kumble is pants in England. He will be no threat.
I hope this comment doesn't come back to haunt you!
Hmm, he averaged 36 on the last tour. Maybe he'll be effective if he gets some dry tracks, and good weather is on the way. Shame we couldn't hit the Indians with the current cold and rain! |
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quote: Originally posted by Ash:
1-1 in tests, 5-2 to india in odis
On current form, a 2-1 Eng test win or a 2-0 win [If Dravid decided to drop laxman and play 5 bowlers again]. ODIs could go 4-3 India's way or 3-3. |
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I expect us to win the ODIs. And I think we have the bowlers to nick one test. What the outcome of the other two tests are will decide the series.
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I think the ECB also have also managed to cock up the grounds that should have been made available for this tour.
You would have thought - that they would do what the Australians do - the 1st test on a ground that favour the homeside and thus help secure an early 1-0 lead - the Aussies always choose Brisbane ( esp. since Perth has lost its pace ) - the English should have had Headingly or Durham ( to really get behind Harmison and Plunkett ).
They should have followed this with possibly Edgbaston and then Oval - ensure grounds that don't support pace and bounce are selected.
What they have choosen are flat decks - Lords, Trent and Oval - the latter can have good pace but can start to offer could turn day four and five - Kumble ( and Singh if selected ) should do well.
The result at Trent I expect to be a draw - but dependent upon weather conditions and who in favoruable conditions bats first.
Lords could go either way - but I am expecting a draw.
From a ground perspective - this could be a tame series.
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revised quote: Originally posted by 100125:
I think the ECB also have also managed to cock up the grounds that should have been made available for this tour.
You would have thought - that they would do what the Australians do - the 1st test on a ground that favour the homeside and thus help secure an early 1-0 lead - the Aussies always choose Brisbane ( esp. since Perth has lost its pace ) - the English should have had Headingly or Durham ( to really get behind Harmison and Plunkett ).
They should have followed this with possibly Edgbaston and then Oval - ensure grounds that don't do support pace and bounce are selected.
What they have choosen are flat decks - Lords, Trent and Oval - the latter can have good pace but can start to offer could turn day four and five - Kumble ( and Singh if selected ) should do well.
The result at Trent I expect to be a draw - but dependent upon weather conditions and who in favoruable conditions bats first.
Lords could go either way - but I am expecting a draw.
From a ground perspective - this could be a tame series.
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quote: Originally posted by doremi:
I expect us to win the ODIs. And I think we have the bowlers to nick one test. What the outcome of the other two tests are will decide the series.
Thus my loathing of 3 test series ... blink and it's all over. India should be allocated 5 tests - their team strengths certainly warrant it - however this phobia about filling grounds with the 'hit and giggle one day circuses' clearly dominates the accountants and administrators views ... so we end up 3 tests and fifty bloody one dayers ... well, slight exagerration !  |
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quote: Originally posted by 100125:
......the English should have had Headingly or Durham ( to really get behind Harmison and Plunkett )..........
That sort of thing could backfire easily as it did in 2002. It only needs a bit of inaccuracy. Maybe in a 5 test series that strategy might work. quote: Originally posted by RedDuster:
India should be allocated 5 tests - their team strengths certainly warrant it - however this phobia about filling grounds with the 'hit and giggle one day circuses' clearly dominates the accountants and administrators views ... so we end up 3 tests and fifty bloody one dayers ... well, slight exagerration !
Absolutely right. But I think you'll find the BCCI refusing to play a 5-test series. It was under pressure they agreed to a 4-test series in Australia. As you rightly suggest the BCCI pundits have only one thing in mind. Moolah! Offer them a nine ODI series and they'll jump at it, even suggest a two-test series in exchange. With the sponsorship and TV-rights environment as it stands, things are not about to change either. |
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It's sad certainly .... and I'd have to agree with you mirchy.
Moolah, sponsorships and TV dominates the scene now and will continue to do so ad infinitum ... and it's not just the BCCI who have claims ... the ECB also like to line their pockets!
Oh well, at least I'll get to see the Lord's Test in July.
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5 tests would have been over-kill considering the team's schedule over the next season. 4 tests would have been perfect. A few less ODIs however wouldn't have been missed by fans, I'm prepared to bet.
What is strange is that we are playing SL-A in a warm-up before the 3rd test. WTH?
merlin, you won't be at the Oval?
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The impasse should be broken - we know the BCCI won't back down but as the ECB and its fan base seem to concentrate on Tests more so than ODI's - they should have organised this as a 5 test series.
It would push the BCCI to offer the same - if the BCCI ( as they would be expected ) decided to offer only a 3 match test series - then england should simply also request a 3 match ODI series.
England will loose out on the money - but hey English cricket is a principled beast.
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quote: Originally posted by doremi:
5 tests would have been over-kill considering the team's schedule over the next season. 4 tests would have been perfect. A few less ODIs however wouldn't have been missed by fans, I'm prepared to bet.
What is strange is that we are playing SL-A in a warm-up before the 3rd test. WTH?
merlin, you won't be at the Oval?
Definitely all 5 days at Lord's and possibly make an exception (Surrey ..Uggh!) by visiting the Oval too, as a few of my chums are going and, after all, it is the final home Test of the season. PS My previous response was witheld by the Mods for a 'trigger word' in my references to our "friends" south of the river!!! It was written in jest wuth a huge  .. so I don't really know what the fuss is all about. You going doremi? |
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I don't know what you have against Surrey, RedDuster. Thought you lived in Roehampton once and hated the Robin Hood just as much as I did. Can't complain about the Oval, though. |
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quote: Originally posted by mirchy: I don't know what you have against Surrey, RedDuster. Thought you lived in Roehampton once and hated the Robin Hood just as much as I did. Can't complain about the Oval, though.
Lovely ground mirchy, it's just the hooligans that play on it!  It's just old rivalry I guess ... a send up with no sinister undertones (apart from urging Slurrey and 'the traitor' to drop back into Div 2 again!) Country boy, that's me ... though Roehampton used to be an old haunt of mine back in college days - Green Man in Barnes was where I hung out. Like you, I hated the Robin Hood (petrol fumes off the A3) ... So when were you there? |
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Although Flinthoff’s arthroscopy has gone well, it still seems doubtful, according to some media reports, that he’ll be available for the India tests or even the ODI’s. Before he can start his training, he’ll have to undergo muscle-strengthening exercises for his injured left ankle.
As I read it, there is a minute chance of him being available for the ODI’s but it seems he has been ruled out for the tests beginning at Lords on the 19th July. The Indians aren’t likely to complain as his absence increases our chances in both versions of the game. Nonetheless, it’s a shame as some of us will miss the aggressive all rounder, specially with Ganguly around.
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Flintoff always has had huge success over India especially in bowling. So this indeed is a good news.
But the English cupboard isn't bare in this department and they'll certainly have someone useful to play against India. And Indians play badly against a new bowler. So I can't say if England are at a clear disadvantage here.
Will Sidebottom take his place or any of Broad, Anderson and Mahmood?
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No other bowler worries me as much as Flintoff does. More so at home. I might be wrong, but IMO Sidebottom won't be as as successful against the Indians.
Maybe you read this today, but just as I had hoped, Pathan seems to finding his winning ways (read swing) again. Shekhar seldom, if ever, gives a compliment to anybody. That probably spells doom for either Ishant Sharma or Munaf Patel as far as the Test squad against England is concerned. I'm sensing a surprise drop for Munaf here.
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i would be surprised if flintoff averages less than 30 against india, he has not had great success against us and has not looked the same bowler that he was a few years back. add in surgery and he would probably not play an important role
harmison with his head screwed on right would be a big, big threat. has all the things indian batsmen hate - pace and bounce
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Well, it would be a surprise definitely if a fit Munaf is dreopped for Irfan Pathan, no matter how much he has improved.
Re: Pathan's decline, shows you too much good advice is a bad thing.
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Harmison is definitely someone to worry about, but he will need adequate support at the other end and Flintoff would have been it. My guess is Liam Plunkett will be the danger man in this series.
He says so himself, doremi. I only hope he's learnt from it. Personally, I think Pathan at his best with a swinging new ball is worth 5 Munafs. I still remember his hatrick in Karachi and even though we lost, it was still a tremendous performance with the ball. We'll have an ace up our sleeve, if he gets anywhere close to that form and England, weatherwise, is the ideal place for swing.
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munaf on top form is a better bowler than pathan on top form. i guess the 5 fast bowlers will be munaf, sreesanth, zaheer, pathan and one of ishant, VRV or bose - hopefully the latter.
i think we have a good chance of winning the test series - IF our batsmen fire.
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this would be our best XI imo
sehwag
jaffer
dravid
tendulkar
ganguly
laxman
dhoni
kumble
zaheer
sreesanth
munaf
an option into the series might be to drop dhoni and jaffer, play kartik as opener with sehwag and bring in pathan at 7...although it would put a massive workload on kartik
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