I hate the way people these days don't know about the First or Second World War, it's a disgrace! Big Brother should make them have a few history lessons while they are in there!

But for the Holiday thing, some people in the New England area celebrate Guy Fawkes day and have bonfires, plays and fireworks. And many non-Irish people around the World celebrate St Paddy's day...I know it seems odd but it's not anything bad.

And while Darnell was born in England, he grew up in America, and many people say what they are is from where they have grown up. Jerry Springer was born in England but calls himself an American. Kim Cattrall was born in England but classes herself as Canadian.

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Originally posted by The Invisible Don:

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:
THIS IS BRITAIN AND NOT THE USA, GRRRRR,

Sad but true. The future choice of this country will be, do we join because USE (United States Of Europe) or USA. I think being anglo, we're going that way. Our little island won't be a nation state in a few decades time and we won't have a say of its intended future. It's written on the cards at the moment.

I think one of the USA,s biggest fears is that there will one day be a USE (United Sates of Europe) an Idea that I think has legs, because then we (the USE) would be big enough, rich enough and strong enough to be a challenge to them, indeed a future war between a USE and the USA would be almost inevitable what with the planets dwindling resources n all that,

i read something that was quite funny brits having thanksgiving parties.who are they thanking?theres no red indians here lol!!!

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by The Invisible Don:

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:
THIS IS BRITAIN AND NOT THE USA, GRRRRR,

Sad but true. The future choice of this country will be, do we join because USE (United States Of Europe) or USA. I think being anglo, we're going that way. Our little island won't be a nation state in a few decades time and we won't have a say of its intended future. It's written on the cards at the moment.

I think one of the USA,s biggest fears is that there will one day be a USE (United Sates of Europe) an Idea that I think has legs, because then we (the USE) would be big enough, rich enough and strong enough to be a challenge to them, indeed a future war between a USE and the USA would be almost inevitable what with the planets dwindling resources n all that,

Oh now i'm definitely off before people start doing the whole rivers of blood speech....

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Originally posted by WildeWinter:
I hate the way people these days don't know about the First or Second World War

That's the Iraq war, ain't it?

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Originally posted by astrolibra:
i read something that was quite funny brits having thanksgiving parties.who are they thanking?theres no red indians here lol!!!

technically theres no red indians there either only native americans....

Well said Kim
I'm actually spending my day off reading the lut so that I can get updated.
My eyes have been opened today reading these posts I must say. I enjoy learning about other cultures beside my own American one. We don't have so much hate here.

TheatreCat I have heard this and many other rumours about Churchill and what he or the British knew both during WW2 and WW1 (the sinking of the Lusitania 1915 and the attempts by Britain to get the USA to join the allies against the central powers Germany Austro_hungary and Turkey in the First World War). By the summer of 1941 the US, Japan, Germany USSR and Britain knew an attack on the US by Japan was highly likely and when the US placed an oil embargo on Japan in the autumn of 1941 it was inevitable. Britain needed an ally like the US to join the war against Hitler and Japan, alone Britain could not fight a global war (the empire was dying especially after 1918) and Russia was looking like they were going to be defeated by Germany in the autumn of 1941 (the siege of Stalingrad hadn't reached a conclusion at this point). Had Germany defeated the USSR by the end of 1941 and the US remained neutral then Britain would have had to ask Hitler for peace. Likely Britian would have kept its empire but Germany would have picked off the best bits (India, the British mandated middle east territories ie Iraq, Palestine (Isreal).
The irony of the two world wars of the 20th century is that they were originally an Anglo-German conflict over European domination (Britain has always supported an independent low countries as it has never wanted one dominant European power (Spain- the Armada, France Napoleon and Waterloo, Germany 1914-1918 and Hitler and Second world war). By fighting for the world we enjoy today and not one based on fascist totalitarian racial grounds we lost an empire and the country who won the empire was the USA.

So ends today History class sorry all those who hate history but this thread demanded some knowledgeable responses. Thanks everyone

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Originally posted by TheatreCat:
I read once somewhere that Churchill knew the Japanese were going to bomb Pearl Harbour but said nothing about it because he knew they'd enter the war then. Dunno if that's true, maybe Dillont will have a better idea, but if it is then they didn't save our asses back then they just did our bidding.

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Originally posted by The Invisible Don:

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Originally posted by WildeWinter:
I hate the way people these days don't know about the First or Second World War

That's the Iraq war, ain't it?

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Originally posted by chasingamy:

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Originally posted by astrolibra:
i read something that was quite funny brits having thanksgiving parties.who are they thanking?theres no red indians here lol!!!

technically theres no red indians there either only native americans....

And if you bothered reading other posts on this thread you would have seen my grandmother was native american. I take umbridge sir ( and with I swep' out )

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Originally posted by astrolibra:
i read something that was quite funny brits having thanksgiving parties.who are they thanking?theres no red indians here lol!!!

It IS true some do hold thanks giving dinners and parties, I dont want people to think I dont like American people I DO like most of the ones Ive met (and I have met lots) there are many things about the US that I admire, but I dont want to BE American,

Such a waste of tea.

That's what really gets me!

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Originally posted by chasingamy:

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Originally posted by astrolibra:
i read something that was quite funny brits having thanksgiving parties.who are they thanking?theres no red indians here lol!!!

technically theres no red indians there either only native americans....

And if you bothered reading other posts on this thread you would have seen my grandmother was native american. I take umbridge sir ( and with I swep' out )

There we go, we can give thanks to Jeremiahs left leg (is that close enough to a quarter of you? ).

But they have an American housemate in there this year. Maybe that's why they're celebrating it. I can't remember them ever doing so other years.

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Originally posted by JasmineJ:

Ah so true.. I'm too young to remember 1966 but I do!

I’m Scots (therefore the least said about our national team the better... )[/QUOTE]

OK understood However on this particular subject you've not a problem surely - aren't you scots sorted like the Irish, Welsh on cultral celebrations/identity. I mean what would New years Day in GB be without you guys !

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by The Invisible Don:

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:
THIS IS BRITAIN AND NOT THE USA, GRRRRR,

Sad but true. The future choice of this country will be, do we join because USE (United States Of Europe) or USA. I think being anglo, we're going that way. Our little island won't be a nation state in a few decades time and we won't have a say of its intended future. It's written on the cards at the moment.

I think one of the USA,s biggest fears is that there will one day be a USE (United Sates of Europe) an Idea that I think has legs, because then we (the USE) would be big enough, rich enough and strong enough to be a challenge to them, indeed a future war between a USE and the USA would be almost inevitable what with the planets dwindling resources n all that,

I think the worse thing which could happen for us is if we go closer to the rest of Europe.. I'd rather we be part of Hell than have a United Europe.

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Originally posted by WildeWinter:
I think the worse thing which could happen for us is if we go closer to the rest of Europe.. I'd rather we be part of Hell than have a United Europe.

You objection has been noted and forwarded to the closest Labour Office. Gordon Brown will contact you shortly.

Don't know what irritates me most really, the americanising of Britain or the Anglicising of Britain.



It's Ok for the English here, they only have the USA flooding their culture. Us Celts get swamped by the cultural imperialism of them and England

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Originally posted by SmashednLa:
Well said Kim
I'm actually spending my day off reading the lut so that I can get updated.
My eyes have been opened today reading these posts I must say. I enjoy learning about other cultures beside my own American one. We don't have so much hate here.

Out of curiosity where are you and who is 'we'?

oh and to keep on topic some of the house mates were asking "what does "D" day stand for?"
it doesnt STAND for anything D day is simply the military code for the day that the attack or campaign starts, the invasion of North African, Sicily and Italy, ALL had a D day,
its just that now when people mention D day its become the day the invasion of Europe started (6th June 1944)
a day that slips by with hardly a mention these days yet it is FAR more important to US than the 4th of July,