5 minutes in and I've already been shouting at the television! "ohh" coo Matt and Vicky as they push a spoon past Mia's tongue and pour mush into the back of her mouth, giving her no choice but to swallow or choke, "she seems to know what she's doing". Hmm, but clearly, they (and Claire) don't. Solids before 12 weeks!!!! What?????? Babies shouldn't have solids before 6 months! I despair.........
And why would any one expect to have thier sex life and social life "back to normal" within 3 months of having a baby? For goodness sake. And who says you have to have sex in the bed? Have you no imagination? How boring must life be if you only have sex in bed after you have "gone to bed" and having just produced and awesome new human being, why would you want to leave it with someone else (or "asleep" upstairs) whilst you party hard?
I think the "Truby King" parents would have been better off buying a Baby Annabel.
(Incidently, my two "continuum" babies are asleep upstairs whilst I watch this.)
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This is all hilarious really. Our 5 month old is just having a couple of spoons of baby rice or puree per day now, but she's also started teething, and I don't think anything is going to get us a full night's sleep at the moment. Its all well and good having 3 and four month old babies sleeping through - but Lily, a BF baby, slept through from almost the day we got her home until her teething started. Some things even a routine cant control.
And yes, routines don't solve anything and are so easily disrupted, a flexible approach allows for all kinds of ups and down, teething, growth spurts, what ever. I don't understand this frantic need for control!
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OMG- What are Channel 4 doing!!! The commentater after the programme just said. Quote: "The 1950's way of bringing up baby is proving good for rest and a sex life...If you missed it turn to c4+1" Why are they trying to brain wash people into doing the 50's method!!!
Well, where do we start tonight??! My God - the one's I despair of the most are the parents in particulalr the 'mother' of the twins - she seems to have no connection to her beautiful little babies - she was right about the bonding bit, but from what we could see, I don;t think there is much bond there at all. I appreciate some of it could have been editing, but there were too many bits showing her just not seeming to care at all.
In my opinion, she has her priorities all wrong - she thinks that being a successful parent isb having your babies sleeping through.
That woman who was looking after them, and delayed their feed said to them 'look at what stress you are causing' - it was her fault they were so upset because she had not fed them. I'm not one for this rountine but if you are in it and the baby has come to expect it's little bit of satisfaction then to deny it even that along with everything else it has been denied along the way is even more cruel.
CV has no connection with children - there is no warmth in her tone or manner.
The knives thing - that was interesting to see in practice after reading about it in the book. The most difficult part I would think to put into practice but fascinating nonetheless.
Sex - agree with you all - bedrooms are for sleeping... explore the house/garden etc!
Life Back - wasn't the reason we had babies to have a different part to our life? Why would you want your old one back? baby Annabel would have been too good for the twins woman.
Isn't Claire Scott lovely though?
Right off to get some shut eye myself now, with my little man sleeping snuggly beside me.
My HV told me to start weaning at 16 weeks and I have to say that my daughter responded well. She is now seven months and eats lots of different things. My other daughter who is nearly 8 was weaned at 16 weeks also.
And yes, routines don't solve anything and are so easily disrupted, a flexible approach allows for all kinds of ups and down, teething, growth spurts, what ever. I don't understand this frantic need for control!
Yes, we saw that report. We're a bit concerned about jumping straight to solid food - but our baby was more or less trying to grab anything she saw us put in her mouth. We read up all the theories and articles we could, and decided to see if Lily might like to try a little taste of a few things. She seems to be enjoying what we do give her; But she is more or less totally breast fed still. My wife wants to carry on with BF until at least 6m. Lily is well on her growth curve (the HV seems to be really obsessed with this), and is bright, active and responsive. I see nothing the CV's methods could bring us to make Lily anything other than the bundle of joy she is.
I've been reading all the posts for the past 4 weeks and wanted to say a huge thank you to the wonderfully informed people writing on here. Especially to Continuum Momma, Moogyboobles, Sassberry & Olive Green to name but a few. You have all been amazing in your considered, educated, intelligent and articulate responses, in extreme circumstances!!
Tonight's finaly ep of BUB was perhaps less shocking as we've already been shocked so much by the casual child abuse. I am surprised the voice overs didn't seem to mention that the current UK government advice, which should come from all HV's is that solids should be started around 6 months. What do people think that the human race has done for the past few 1000 years, before the blender was invented?
The part with the knives was interesting too, but of course they didn't give it much context. In our house we didn't put stair gates up and my little girl hasn't fallen down the stairs, in fact of all her friends the same age she can negotiate the stairs most confidently. Similarly feeding ducks at a pond, my mum starts holding the back of my daughters trousers, even though I've told her we feed the ducks every week and my 2 yr old hasn't flung herself in the pond yet!! Self preservation is a very strong instinct.
So, thank you again, to all the informed people who have taken the time to post on this site. Sometimes I feel like the only sane one in the mad house so it's good to know there are a few more out there!!
I'm just wondering about the knife thing. My child could cut up a cucumber with a sharp knife at two years old and manage not to stab herself (I am not a continuum mother, or a routine one for that matter), but so what - not much use unless your planning to pop out while your child prepares the dinner.
There is absolutely no way I would have left her or trusted her unsupervised with a knife - as the lady said on TV, kids trip over. Also, I have seen kids fight over toys and even if they understand knives are sharp and dangerous, at that age they definitely do not understand that other kids are human beings as well, things can happen quite quickly, even when you're watching.
Originally posted by clumsy1974:We're a bit concerned about jumping straight to solid food - but our baby was more or less trying to grab anything she saw us put in her mouth.
Yes, it is a leap of faith, we have all been duped into believing that babies have to be fed mush off a spoon. But it's not true. Put Lily in a high chair (if she doesn't sit up by her self she's not ready for food, full stop) and giver her a cooked broccoli floret. She will make an unhopy mess with is, but she will put it in her mouth and chew it, eat a small amount of it, smear a lot of it in her hair, ears, nose etc. But she won't choke. I promise you.
The urge to put things in the mouth is a developmental stage, they do it to see what they feel like, and it leads them to eating once they are ready, They won't chew and swallow until they are ready, so if they bite off a bit of food before they have lost thier "gag reflex" they won't chew it and swallow it, they will spit it out.
Try it and see. Having weaned my first the "spoons and mush" way and one the "Rapley" way I would never mash baby food again!
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I agree with the others, am glad it has finished. I think it was summed up by mia's parents saying they would not change a thing! Well shame on them! what a shame they were not bothered about lack of cuddles and bonding time. I cuddled my son whenever we wanted to and still do. was up with him between midnight and 2 last night cos he had tummy ache and yes i was shattered but this is part of being a mum.. as for the twins parents and their party, I partied my backside off working abroad for years but accept my life is different now and have enjoyed this year with him more than any i had whilst working abroad. life just moves and changes. I adored sarah on the programme who followed spocks method, I had a tear in my eye when she moved her son to his nursery for the first night as i could really relate to her. Her emotion as a mother was really touching.
Originally posted by cccccarol: I'm just wondering about the knife thing. My child could cut up a cucumber with a sharp knife at two years old and manage not to stab herself (I am not a continuum mother, or a routine one for that matter), but so what - not much use unless your planning to pop out while your child prepares the dinner.
She helps me prepare dinner. And loves it. She uses a knife that is not razor sharp, but sharp enough to cut mushrooms etc, and stands next to me and chops some of the vegetables that we will all eat later. She learns about contributing to the running of the house and feels involved. Much more fun for her than a plastic play kitchen, and a much more constructive use of her time. And nothing makes a small child eat veggies like having prepared them themselves!!
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That's all great - As far as I'm concerned, helping with chopping is pretty normal, but that's not trusting children with knives. You haven't really answered my question - or have I misunderstood the concept?
I'm just as likely to trip over with a knife. I'm one of the clumsiest people I know. However, I haven't. Most likely because I know it's sharp and employ more care when handling one. What you maybe didn't notice was that the continuum kids have only ever seen knives in a culinary environment so wouldn't actually consider taking them away from the food preparation area, rather the same as adults. I don't wander out of the kitchen with a knife, why would they entertain the thought of taking it away from where it's meant to be used? This was exactly what Claire Scott was getting at when she said, it's hard to accept the continuum methods.
Originally posted by Darkangel2828: OMG- What are Channel 4 doing!!! The commentater after the programme just said. Quote: "The 1950's way of bringing up baby is proving good for rest and a sex life...If you missed it turn to c4+1" Why are they trying to brain wash people into doing the 50's method!!!
so they have wee brainwashed kids that do as they are told yeah some hope there thn NOT!!!!
I feel its personal chose to have a baby but then to go and ignore said baby well.....DONT HAVE KIDS!!!!
All well and done having a routine but i waited till mine were at least 5 months and i did a bit of both the continuum and the Dr spock but Deena put me right of when she said feed your baby in a bloody toilet as if hen really baby needs to be fed baby gets fed.
my mother raised me the 50's way. and boy does that show sometimes as my mother doesnt like to be cuddles and has very little emotion at all. i refused to even listen to her when my littleys where born and did my way.
C4 should of warned any new parents of any of these methods more so the 50's one as that is dangerous to baby and mother.
wonder if they will go back in 5 years time and see what these kids are up to i wonder
I object most strongly to your comments about baby Mia,s feeding habits its was hardly a 3 course meal and if you look at the babys at the end Mia had a golden glow(possibly from the fresh air and no she wasnt just shoved in the garden for 4 hours continually it depended on the weather but she was out most dry days and looking at her it shows and at 11 months that baby is walking yes walking across the patio area mostly unaided that so well done matt and vicky just in case you wonder my garden overlooks theres and that baby is by no means underdeveloped she is one of the most pleasant and forward babies I have met and if her shouting is anything to go by it wont be long before she,s talking so perhaps there is somthing for routine and regular after all. Life does change when you have children but it dosent have to stop.I could rattle on but busy busy life go to go
Originally posted by bren48: Life does change when you have children but it dosent have to stop.
Yes, you're right and mine didn't stop either and also not to the (proven by experts) detriment of removing my babies natural expectations in the light of "sleeping"? I've not had a bad night's sleep ever.
so perhaps there is somthing for routine and regular after all. Life does change when you have children but it dosent have to stop.I could rattle on but busy busy life go to go 
