This is a newborn we are talking about thank you very much. YOU DO NOT LEAVE A ONE DAY OLD TO CRY OR LEFT IN THE COLD FOR THREE HOURS ON ITS OWN ON ITS FIRST DAY HOME...THAT IS NOT RIGHT...sounds like you didnt even watch the programe.

But that is your opinion errr... "fairy dust"...

That does not mean you are correct. Plus, if i didn't watch the programme why would I bother posting? I could be using my time usefully to bother the PM with a time wasting petition.

LOL. Are you Claire Verity?...

Clearly not and I am not saying I neccessarily agree with her method... just that I think it is awful that you can brand paretns who tried this out as bad people who should have their children taken away by social services. I don't think you are able to understand the nature of the programme and feel that your posts are over emotional outbursts based on snippets of TV viewing.

I would like any parent here to say they are qualified to judge others and say what they are doing is right or wrong.

If the couple in the programme were abusing their newborn, I would be with you in stating that this programme is unacceptable, yet this is not the case.

Moo, those perants went into the program expecting a reaction...and unfortunetly the first show aired displayed what a social worker WOULD class as neglect. I agree with a routene after the first 6weeks and teaching a baby to learn to settle its self but no way a newborn..not on its first day home!
The fact that the perants preffered to sit on the sofa with a glass of wine on the first day home rather then cuddle together as a new family as Im afraid disturbing to many people!!

Preferred? Did you see the woman in tears? I bet more than anything she wanted to pick up her baby. The area of child development is always open to speculation and I really do not feel that there is any way to care for a new born that is "right". In my line of work I see many many children who have obviously not been brought up in a way that is beneficial to them. This method is flawed but I don't think the parents who followed it were wrong to do so. I am sure in following episodes, we will see them arguing with Ms Verity... We saw Matt describe the method as "bollocks" in the very first episode.

It will be interesting to see if the other methods are so controversial. I am convinced that carrying your child about with you everywhere in a sling, letting it sleep in the same bed with you (really dangerous for new borns) and whipping boobs out every five seconds will come under fire too.

everyone knows there is no 'right' way to care for a newborn...but there is a WRONG way..and that is neglecting it...say what you want but your opinion isnt making me think twice about calling what I and many others saw as neglect. She cried, of corse, poor women..but if she had the guts to listen to her instinct she would have kicked that cow out!!

I've never written on forums before either but I was so angry about this programme I had to respond. I have a 6 month old baby and after watching the poor neglected new born I sat and watched my little girl sleeping for a very long time just enjoying being near her. I have complained to channel 4, ofcom and NSPCC, not just about the treatment of this one baby, but that other new parents may be led to believe this is an acceptable parenting technique. If nothing else it goes against all WHO advice for babies to be fed on demand and sleep in the same room as parents for their own safety. (Apparantly one of the reasons of reduced risk of cot death is due to the air being regulated by the parents breathing ??). I hope someone listens and not only removes Claire Verity from our screens but that she faces prosecution for wilful neglect of a child. Maybe extreme but it must be made clear that child neglect is not acceptable and is form of abuse.

I totally agree. What I find unbelievable is that people are allowed to advocate methods such as this without any scientific evidence to support them. If a pharmaceutical company wants to release a new drug they have to go through extensive clinical trials first to prove that the drug is safe. However, anyone can push a child care method without any such safeguards, despite such methods having a potentially massive psychological and emotional impact on the baby and the parents.

I just hope that Dr Frederic Truby King is spending some of her large income on a good insurance policy to cover all the potential law-suits from emotionally screwed up teenagers in 10 or 20 years time.

I wonder what Mia will feel when she is older and sees this programme?

Hello All:

I too feel strongly against these 1950s harsh methods used by this so called expert in childminding. Firstly and most importantly, this woman does not have a child and could not possibly comprehend the emotional connection a mother and child NEED to have. And I think the parents who use her help should really boost up their common sense because how could you take advice on brining up a child from someone who does not have any???? How truly bizarre. Secondly, children are not products, accessories, or things that so easily revolve around your life. Big reality check! Your priority is their well-being, the end. You do anything and everything to make them feel safe, loved, and whole. If you do not give your child these securities they will become emotionally detached from people (including the parents) and next thing you know, they are being bullied at school, or worse, become the bully. Good luck to the poor children who are starved of love and affection in this country, and the delusional people who promote it!! This woman should work for the Chinese police and shouldn't be around children at all ever again.

Hi there
well first of all time will tell has the child grows up, my problems didn't proprerly come out till i was a teenager, I have had 5 years of counselling and I must say when you go through everything you find out what has triggered certain things my mother used the 50's method and brought us up the best she could, however every child is different and I must say I didn't use any method with my daughter or my 13 month old son, and I have a happy teenager and a happy son, I know no parents get a hand book with there baby but I didn't agree with that verity's attitude not letting them attend their babies crying nor did I like the way she put the baby outside in the cold for 3 hours, do new born dogs or cats do this to thier young? no they don't and It's a mother instinct to attend to her babies needs, that child is being treated like she is in a 1950's orphanage, and I personally think channel 4 should listen to people's views . I know it's meant to be a study but at what expencese to ther children, maybe they will need to come back when they are adults and see if there is any effect on them then.

Unfortunately you can do a lot of damage to a newborn baby in three months and the negative consequences may not show until the teenage years.

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This woman has learnt all she knows out of a book and that is wrong wrong wrong. ANYTHING could happen to baby when it is shoved outside by itself for hours on end.
A baby crys for a reason and is not manipulative. A baby crys to express itself in the only way it knows how and to get mothers attention as mother nature intended.

What utter utter tripe. I know this is an "experiment" but it is appalling and horrifying to watch.

Couldn't agree more except to say I wonder WHAT books! There may be exceptions but so far as I can see most scientifically based books would agree with you. There is no scientific basis for CV's views. For me it's child abuse. You may have seen my earlier post - just a few before yours?

I hope a lot more caring people complain

I ahev made my compalints to NSPCC and Channel 4

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Originally posted by dizzysmiggy:
vicky & matt are very good friends of mine, they never took the decision to do this show lightly,as they had a long hard struggle to have mia . I can assure all you hard faced cynics that mia is very much loved and she has all the love,attention etc that she needs. I can't stress enough this show was just 3 months long and was being conducted as part of an expriment.who gives you lot the right to judge people that you don't even know!!!!!!!!!!!!

So why did they not do any research on the method then? It's really not hard to find evidence of the damage such a method causes especially in those vital first months. 3 months is a longtime to a baby and that brain is developing at it's most crucial rate, at no other time is so much going on in there! Parenting is the most important thing anyone will do so I make sure I am a fully informed parent and the way I care for my children is influenced by this. Although my instincts back up everything science says about raising a child the healthiest way you can.

I've just remembered a great book called Primal Health by Dr Michel Odent (just a tad more qualified than Verity) and found this interesting article that is rather relevant with regards to Verity's no eye contact nonsense.
http://www.birthpsychology.com/primalhealth/primal17.html

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Also Verity shouldn't even be an option, her ideas a disgusting and neglectful. This kind of treatment can cause brain damage. Romanian orphans starved of cuddles and affection when scanned show actually missing brain parts.
Verity is right when she says babies attention seek, that's innate because attention helps create a healthy happy human being. They observe us ebing sociable and caring towards each other and to them and that's how they learn to be. Verity way is a good start if you fancy a shelf full of ASBOS and a poor teenager with low self worth and mental health issues. They deserve and require love and affection.

Absolutely. All child care now has to be seen in the light of modern science. The state of the Roumanian babies' brains was a shock to everyone. We have all known for years (except CV, that is) that distressed babies/toddlers are suffering. What's new is the discovering of the brain damage that results. The likes of CV (and other well known "baby gurus") always tell us how quiet, etc, their babies are. What never emerges is how their quiet, compliant, babies will turn out as older children and teenagers. ASBO kids, I think. It's absolutely disgusting that CV and her like still exist and even worse that they get paid for child abuse.

I wonder how much money the 50s method parents got to take part on this experiment, then to say that they are happy with it!
Lets hope, they did it for the show only and when camera-man went home, they gave plenty of Love and cuddles to little Mia!