Olivegreen - I wasn't aware of Claire Scott's business, sorry, although it makes sense now - the slings have had most of the attention in that particular family. I agree with your slant on the matter in that case. On the other hand - if that's what it takes to get good practise on the telly ...

I was a bf peer supporter in Glasgow and thanks to one of Glasgow Primay Care Trust's most enlightened decision was able to undergo extensive training and yes - I feel passionately enough about the subject to write to anyone who will listen. I had forgotten about that other Chanel 4 wasted opportunity last year. Once again they managed to portray bf as difficult and, frankly, wierd. They are getting good at it, aren't they?
Wouldn't it be great if the BBC did manage to see the golden opportunity here!

Still can't help thinking it might be best to see this series to the end before ranting too loudly (ever the optomist?).

Hi plate, I hope you don't think I was getting at you in any way, I was just pointing out that C Scott does have a business interest in promoting slings, although she is obviously passionate about what she preaches which is good (she has a lovely website, I had a peek !) She isn't selling breasts or breastmilk, so no worries about conflict of interest there : )

My point was more to do with the qualifications or training any of the 3 ladies have. We know about Verity , but I am still not too sure about what the 60's woman does in real life ? She looks like one of those posh ladies that lunch, but her views on bf in public so far have managed to pee me right off. She is mentoring one of the bf mums, not sure if she should be if she thinks bf in public is disgusting ?

Yes, although I absolutey detest watching those poor lambs cry, I am still watching to see how the other couples get on and also to see how much more rubbish I can take ! Clever isn't it ? You get hooked to things that revolt you ? I guess Ch 4 knew that though, didn't they

Plate were you with LLL as a peer helper ?

I am thoroughly appalled and disgusted by C4 airing this programme, ignoring expert advice on the risks and damage CV methods cause (as other reputable organisations are clearly stating that they had been approach and that they warned Hamish and his crew of the risks)and now the lack of action by the NSPCC.

This thought has crossed my mind though re the NSPCC..

I got the same standard reply and I've been wondering about this statement and the lack of action by them...

"The NSPCC tries to maintain an ongoing and constructive relationship with the media outlets and the watchdogs that monitor them"

I wonder if the NSPCC feel compromised by the airing of their adverts about cruelty to children? Are they not shown on C4... maybe for free?

I'd be interested to know Hamish.

Way to go curlyhead - what a fantastic post!

I agree with everything you've written and would be interested in knowing what response you've received from them.

Excellent curly. I am disgusted that so few orgs. have the balls to take action on this. Did I say action ? Even a press release would be better than nothing ! Like you say only FSID so far seems to have made some attempt to oppose Verity's torture.

Even the BBC breakfast programme the other day was a total white wash. No mention of babies being left to cry for hours, no sort of Jeremy Paxman type questioning of Verity (which is what we need) nothing. It even said "Maternity Nurse" under her name. Pathetic. My neighbour's cats get more attention from the RSPCA.

Hi Olivegreen how are the neighbours cats!!!
where do we go from here?It even hasn't picked by GMT, this morning or Trevor McDonald or Panorama. This has been little media coverage, when it was Big brother you couldn't get away from the coverage. Aren't little babies important enough news

The thing is ... parents should be allowed to make up their own minds. If they want to abuse their baby they should be allowed to do so. Then, when it is a bit older, walking, perhaps, and it spills its orange juice it should get a sound thrashing (no eye contact, mind!) - or stood outside for three hours (with its coat on - it'll be alright) or both. Chances are it won't disturb the neighbours by screaming. It will have given that up as a hopeless job by 3 weeks old.

(and if you miss the irony in this post please don't reply)


PS, Olivegreen - I was with the Glasgow Breasfeeeding Initiative which started out as a few young mums in Easterhouse just trying to help each other. Wonderful stuff!

iv got a 6 month old baby and i havent had chance to come on here for a while but just had to pop on to have a litle moan about that 50's style of bringing up baby, grrrrrr.
the day i die would be the day i bring up my children like that. i mean what is the point in having babys if all ya gonna do is shove it outside and not look at the poor little thing.

Hi Rozzie, poo-ing, wee-ing all day cats, in one end, out the other, although my shoo-ing is working well

Did you all get that!

Just spliced in a sentence at the end of part two tonight "some experts .... that sleeping in the same room can prevent cot death"

Last minute editing !! Covering their backs more like!

Yep that was so obvious!
Thing is the separate room stuff is the tip of the iceberg. There so much wrong with Verity, it's like watching baby torture.

this woman is such a LIAR, she is saying she will not let the baby cry for long hahahaha she ignores the babies needs ALL THE TIME.

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Originally posted by gryphonsgate13:
The 1950s woman absolutely horrified me! And my other half, for whom my baby due in January will be his first (I have 2 already). You can tell she has no children, she doesn't truly know how to handle them. I agree with more of a cross between the Dr. Spock and Continuum Concept, as the gurus actually have raised their own children on the concepts, and know they actually work. Neither ignores instincts, and the whole point of having children.
Mel

Agree with everything you say here - what a sour faced heartless cow she seems.

I too think a cross between the Spock and Continuum (plus a whole lotta common sense too!)is the absolute top way to bring up a baby. I had my two in 1985 + 88, breast fed them both, until they wanted to stop, in public and, even scarier, in front of my ultra-disapproving mother-in-law, who thought I should disappear elsewhere at that time, even thou everyone else was eating!!! I used to say that everyone in the room was entitled to food, no matter how young!!! I had them in bed with us when they were very tiny, then in a moses basket next to us when they were older and into their own full sized beds when they were 2 and dry at night. I cuddled them, kissed them, took a total interest in them at all times and now, aged 19 and 22, they are both wonderful, balanced, caring, thoughtful amazing human beings to be proud of.

I was born in '55 and had to battle with my own mum when my babes were born because she wanted me to 'get them into a routine'. I told her I wanted to breastfeed them on demand, much to her disapproval. This was a woman who breastfed me for just 2 days before giving up!!! She also disapproved of having them in our bed and said they would never sleep in their own beds. Once again, this rubbish was disproved! They were the most contented babies I knew. They slept through at approx 10 weeks with no hassle to me. I was doing my job - looking after my babies and I didn't care if they ever woke me up. I quite liked it actually in the dead of night, it was mutually comforting and wonderful.

Sometimes I miss my babies, even now. I know I still have them as grown-ups, but their babyhood was magical, if tiring. It really is such a short space of time, their baby and childhood, and it is so very, very precious. I didn't miss a second of it; they both smiled at me first, said their first words to me, walked to me. Now, in their adulthood, they both tell me, or ask my opinion on everything first, before confiding in anyone else. My son 'came out' to me at 14 and has no problems with his sexuality. I always knew, even when he was little, and spoke to him in age-related language about relationships of all kinds. He has friends who "would not dare to tell" their mums they were gay but he just feels completely ok about it because he knew I would accept him for himself.

I feel privileged to be their mum and I wouldn't have missed any of it for all money in the world! Or a job!!! (P.S. I wrote for magazines until I was 30, so I did have a job pre-pregnancy. After baby, life was a bit tougher. We had a battered old car, no new clothes and a 25 year old twin tub washing machine! 'Things' weren't important but time spent being a mum most definitely was - and now it shows...)

Hi New member,
that`s what you exactly do, leave the baby on the floor, because she/he can`t fall from there, and you can keep an eye on her/him. Me and my wife are following the continuum style and works just fine. Ok, there are bumps, but better then the `50 style.

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Originally posted by :->:
I quite like the continuum idea, but what do you do with your newborn when you want to have a bath / shower if you don't have any modern inventions like cots / bouncers / prams and there's no partner around? Leave it on the floor hoping there's no pets / draughts / other small children around?

Hi everyone,

I`m just browsing through the posts, about the cruel `50 style person, and I think sometimes cats and dogs get better media coverage than babies. there was an experiment in the usa, which involved a dog being beaten up, and a person harmed. guess which got better coverage??? yes you are wrong, not the person being harmed...

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Originally posted by Rozzie 38:
Hi Olivegreen how are the neighbours cats!!!
where do we go from here?It even hasn't picked by GMT, this morning or Trevor McDonald or Panorama. This has been little media coverage, when it was Big brother you couldn't get away from the coverage. Aren't little babies important enough news

sorry guys just gotta get this of my chest after whatching that silly woman
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oh breastisbest how did they get away with that?? That's a terrible experiment, but I can see why the dog would get more coverage, that dog was not a willing volunteer and most very likely innocent! Any person that would involve themselves with that experiment is a fool in the first place(if they were a volunteer that is!)

wormywoo - what a beautiful post - I would SOOOOO love my son to be like your children when he is older. I want him to think of me as his best friend and hug me and kiss me as he does now !

you missed the bit on the mentor debate.CV" I do not advocate over feeding the babies until they are sick" which had been discussed here on forum. What does she do starve them in afternoon feed, then overfeeds them at the night feed and then wakes them up to top them up
yeah right all in order for a nights sleep???
I bet the babies were all up with tummy ache
Did you notice that all 50's babys spat the out they didn't want it

I'm wondering whether the editorial team are thinking like us - they do seem to show some pretty grim scenes in the CV households (lots of vomit, screaming, tearful mothers, etc). I wonder whether they are trying to make the point subliminally? Anyone elso think this?

We can all see where this series is leading - CV has achieved her promised 12 hours sleeping. I wonder whether they will go on to make the far more serious point - i.e. AT WHAT COST?

I was wondering this, they do seem to show rather a lot of CV methods and in mentors debate she's always shown in a bad light, but she's still putting the babys at risk, The 50's babys aren't very reactive, they were very blank
the other babys were full of smiles.

On the second episode I felt very sorry for the twins' grandma who wasn't allowed to touch her grandchildren. The poor woman must have been very confused, having been born in a traditional society where all the members of the extended family contribute naturally to the upbringing of a child. And they must have told her to shut up and not question "the experts'" ways because they know best. Huh! Only in this society of ours we let science predominate sense.
The 50's method helps in many ways understand the huge and weird problems of the modern society, where extended families are very rare and children are being raised like fragile human beings for whom nowadays playing outside and being kissed by non-blood related adults is horrible and not at all natural anymore. Spooky.