No 37 Not getting lost on one's way to the stalls and ending up in a broom cupboard

No 38 Not having to listen to someone running their nails down the blackbord in frustartion at having been rejected

No 40 - Not having to pretend to be gay or black or both to avoid being elimniated.

No 41 Not having to to face the shock when the TPTT producers announce Sharon Osbourne and Simon Cowell are being brought in to help decide the final three.
Simon: "That first Act was awful, abysmal, worst opening act I've ever read."
Sharon: "Simon! I don't know how you can say that, I thought it was wonderful. Don't you listen to him darling."

Um, I've started replying to my own posts now. Well, as Woody Allen said: "Don't knock mastarbation, it's sex with someone I love."

No 42- I no longer have to go to the gym with a hangover just in case i get on the tele.

No 43- i no longer have to go to the expense of employing somone to pretend to be my boyfrind so i don't look like a loser when it comes to family interviews.

No 44 - There's no longer a possibility of being on TV and overshadowed by your boyfriend and his muso cronies!

And self love, my Pete perfect, is not so great a sin as self loathing...

No 45 Not having to endure your mum on telly going: "I'll be honest love, I didn't even know he wrote those ..what did you call them?..Yes, plays that's it. Although he spends a lot of time on his own in his room...not that there's anything wrong with that mind...Although he hasn't been the same since the, you know, incident...What?..He didn't tell you about the pig and the door knob..?"

No 39...No 39! You've missed another one!
Please try to keep this in sequence.
No.39...err
We're not going to end up like the eventual winner...okay so a premiere in the West End.

Will they have a career in theatre afterwards?
Won't the theatre world have their collective hatchets out if they write another play?

Lewes, I'll give you 29, but I do think that Pete perhaps did it on purpose because you got so upset over 29 - which wasn't missing by the way...

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No. 28: We don't have to worry about what happened to No. 27.

No 27 - We don't have to worry about 'chronological accuracy and a suitably credible creative timeline'.

Labelled No 27 but actually No 29 - We don't have to worry about saving pages and then avoiding 'unneccessary duplication of message'.

No 30 - No groupies who are willing to perform all kinds of 'wrong' sexual acts just to be near you... Oh right we're on reasons to be cheerful about rejection...

Right – No 30 – No scanky groupies with their flighty favour and their equally flighty STDs…

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Lewes, I'll give you 29, but I do think that Pete perhaps did it on purpose because you got so upset over 29 - which wasn't missing by the way...

You mean 39? you're giving me?

I wasn't upset about No 29, just concerned about a prime number being abused.

D'oh! Darn those pesky prime numbers...

Big apologies. No, there was no hidden agenda, just sheer carelessness meant I missed No 39

So for No 39 fans: No 39 Don't have to bug all your friends and family to call a premium rate number thousands of times, when the producers decide to hand the final decision over to the 'public.'

Reason 40(?) To Be Cheerful For Not Making The Shortlist.

People who make it onto reality tv shows are generally talentless fools.

Think about it.

REASON 41 - new people might come on to this forum and not start to form little cliques - hehe

Don't look at me! I'm cliqueless!

Just another wanderer in the void...


LOL!

then we can start by forming a clique of two

Sounds good!

Will we need badges? Heh heh.

But seriously, folks..... Well, folk. I've always been passionate about writing, always wanted to be a writer, was always writing something or other and when I came across the forum originally I was really excited about the chance to chew the fat with similarly inclined people. But... Well, let's just say the last few days has left me a bit confused!

Thez - I joined this forum early on - but soon certain people started to "dominate it" (like they owned it) - which I didn't like much coz I saw it as an open place [that person is probably reading this now but they won't reply because they have taken a vow of silence - bless them in their monastic cell) - it would be good if some of us less nuerotic writers could pool together to produce something of worth? The talent is surely out here

As is the recognition!

I've always written by myself. Pooling sounds interesting.

How does it work in this medium?

Anyway, I must away to beddy-byes. Very late night last discussing corsets and calculus. It's all catching up with me!

To be continued?!

Hi. I’ve been popping back to see if there’s been any appearance of Swann - who disappeared a week ago I may add(!) (pre the unfortunate events of the last few days) – and read your posts.

MB; I have since read the other’s posts excluding you from Adman’s collective and thought that before I fall back into the background - I should offer you an apology; for I assumed - considering everyone’s defensive stance toward you - that you must be guilty of the behavioural accusations that were levelled at you (mostly by Adman I now see).

However; I’ve since seen the other side of that - and was surprised at how out-and-out aggressive and abusive HE was - and yet still managed to get everyone to agree with him. What started as a general level of disrespect for my considered (and I thought helpful) comments (in view of my background) quickly deteriorated into downright slanging… And most especially after I picked him up over his earlier tone to other people.

Although I didn’t find his comments that hurtful (having already formed a more rounded opinion of him) what was hurtful, was the rest of the collective’s lack of concern and/or understanding. All were quick to villainize me and come out in support of his self-righteous attitude over an issue that - at the end of the day - was my opinion versus his and for which there was no REAL offer of proof – just their support to him and a readiness to dismiss me as some hysterical B****. (And to which ends, I have since satisfied myself was actually technically rather easy to do - I don’t know from what specifics the general ‘I agrees’ came from – but nothing auditable was provided)!

I can therefore say now - hand on heart; that I was obviously misled about the ‘Adman (+ collective) – Moonbird’ discord and I owe you an apology of omission.

On the point of writer’s groups and co-operatives – I’d add that I still think they’re basically a good thing (well OK, as long as someone isn’t posturing to immediately put £100 down and sign up to a limited partnership agreement - pre any sorry excuse for a business plan whilst generating talk of requiring £50k)… Most people who have formed writer’s groups and co-operatives (and they can be done simply, without putting your home at risk) - have found them good in SOME way. If you set one up - I’d be more than happy to pop in (if welcome); but I don’t really want to chat about it further on this board - considering the display of opinions spilled over from the other place (excepting of course those who have already privately spoken to me).

You know where I’ll be.

Thez (& MB); I know I keep plugging links to it; but I fear this board isn’t long for the graveyard and if you want to talk to other writers – have you tried the Writers Dock? It formed after the closure of the BBC writers’ forum – to pretty much do the same thing – provide a place where writers could share opinions, sometimes heated debates (but they are moderated, ahem) – and importantly ‘read and reviews’. (It’s free btw). Most of it’s initial inhabitants were people who moved with the closure of the BBC board so it’s frequented by professional writers and amateurs alike - including the head of comedy from the BBC that even I (lowly peasant writer(!)) had occasion to post back and forth with.

As ever, wishing all wonderful success,

Minxy

I'm not going to detail this - anyone who wishes to make their own minds up rather than having it made up for them can visit the FoS, take a look and decide for themselves - but for what it's worth;

1.It's not 'my' collective.

2.Yep, I'll admit to having become both angry and abusive after allegations that I made statements and suggestions I did not make, was attempting to effectively extort money from others and had tampered with previous posts to 'cover my tracks'.

3. It WAS proved categorically that I said none of the things that I was alleged to have said because (a) our Forum moderator demonstrated so and (b) one of our number had printouts of the relevant pages. It was also proved that I could not have 'tampered with the evidence' anyway!

It was interesting. It's over. Anyone who feels like popping in (except, actually, two people on this Forum) will be welcomed. If nothing else, the story of the last few unpleasant days is quite an interesting and fun read.

Interestingly, MissMinxy, for the record - you can't see the full story of the Moonbird episodes because the Moderator of this Forum wiped all his posts and even removed his ability to post, requiring him to re-register as another Moonbird!

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On the point of writer’s groups and co-operatives – I’d add that I still think they’re basically a good thing

I find myself drawn in despite myself!

Sorry, yes, I agree with MissMinxy; and there are lots of serviceable ones out there already. That's not what Dramatic Success is about, though - it's about getting writers' plays produced, and produced for a fee for the writer - not about getting them written.

Thanks for the link, MsMinxy. Much appreciated.

I was getting a tad lost reading about these acronyms that I wasn't familiar with!

I feel I really missed the boat a bit by finding out about this forum so late in the game.

I suppose this one, being of no further use to C4 (other than in an ant-farm capacity) may not be around much longer.

Thanks again.