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Not my quote Adman.

As Jay knows i have read Denim and thoroughly enjoyed it. SF could do far worse than to spend an hour one evening with a copy and a nice glass of New world Red.

In fact i would be very interested to hear her opinion of one of 'our' better Writers efforts.


'All we see and seem is but a dream within a dream' Poe
 
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Actually, my quote, Adman.

SF isn't interested in "Denim" or any completed play; that much was clear from the beginning- in T's & C's.

Nor is experience- award winners not required.

A complete beginner with an idea which could be developed- in front a TV audience:

"From pitch to West-End Premiere"- I seem to remember (or words to that effect) way back on the TV Commercial.

TPTT- it does exactly what it says on the tin website.
 
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Sorry for the misattribution Lewes/Playfull

But I agree with every word of your last two posts!
 
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Originally posted by Lewes:

A complete beginner with an idea which could be developed- in front a TV audience:


Or even half an idea, if some of the interviews on the program were to be believed.

SF to one of the people who made the final 10 "where does it go, what is the story, i need a reason to come back after the interval"

No reply.


Perhaps she just submitted half a synospsis?


'All we see and seem is but a dream within a dream' Poe
 
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Btw, PLayfull, I hope my hazy response to your email, did not offend?

Still uncertain whether or no, I'll go and see the play- it would depend on Kate wowing me in episode #4.
 
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Not at all Lewes,

Very glad to see you posting again!

I'm off on my Jollys on the 26th and won't be going before then, so lets see if -

a) the play is still on when i get back or

b) all performances are sold out when i get back

Let me know if you decide to go.


'All we see and seem is but a dream within a dream' Poe
 
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Folks,

You do realise that I now have a full outline for Denim II: When Heaven and Hell Agree to Armageddon!

But to use a phrase more suited to Swanny.... My Two Cents...

I've now seen the new trailer. I am hopefull that the subsequent episodes are going to teach me something. But I am to use a phrase that AdMan would approve of 'Unlike the Murphys, I am bitter".

If you knew what you were doing, you wouldn't have made it. If you've completed a MS, you wouldn't have made it. If you 'understood' theatre, you wouldn't have made it.

I've heard people say that they are stunned that some of the 30 were there after reading Denim and ask why?

I thank them for the compliment - but while I have pride in my plays, I have read other submissions from fellow posters (did that disqualify us?) and haven't read hundreds of others... But surely there had to be something better than the MM thing!

Lewes, AdMan, Gravy, LML, Playfull and others... I read yours... Why present a Channel drenching proposal against what you have created?

My guess is that they knew what they wanted. TV. Not theatre. And those of us that want to make it into theatre now have to suffer the what they have done to us.
 
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I have some opinions about the show. But Jay I have to agree with what you are saying. I look upon it more as an exercise than a competition. I enjoyed the exercise.


I though I saw a light at the end of the tunnel ..
but it was only Jay with a torch, looking for the way out!
 
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GRAVY BABY!

Great to 'see' you again!

Like the Exercise analogy... I've opened the Virtual Bar if you're interested?
 
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Hi crampy


'All we see and seem is but a dream within a dream' Poe
 
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GRAVY BABY!

Great to 'see' you again!


'All we see and seem is but a dream within a dream' Poe
 
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Post should have said

Gravy baby! or Crampy baby!?


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Yeah, should have been Crampy - but he's still taking a couple in the VB! Come and Join us Playful! It's like old times!
 
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Hey guys, Jay dusted off the virtual bar, come and have a virtual drink with us.


-Every rose has its thorns. Mine are all sticking in my side.
 
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Hi Jay, sorry to be boring and get back to the topic at hand, but I fear my weak point is synopsis drafting as well. (And I also profer bad synopsis writing as the answer to Adman's question why some writers were overlooked)

If Giles finds out at the end of Act I that Hazel is his mother and so he is falling for April, then that should appear about a third of the way through the synopsis. The synopsis tells you what happens in the play in a workmanlike way from start to finish. The more I hear about the play, the more interesting it is, but I need to know more about what happens.

You don't need to find a synopsis-writing class on the web - I doubt they have them. You can take a playwrighting class or you can just rely on the relentless commentary and questing mind of your shrewish yet insightful friend in the ether,

Swann
 
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So when do we see the next rewrite?
 
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I started one last night - but I hated it!

For some reason, I want the tone of the synopsis to come over in the same way as the writing (and the production)... But I keep failing.

I'm determined to write a new one tonight and I'll post it before I throw my laptop into the Solent Wink
 
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Sorted it!

"Adopted bloke won't screw anyone in case it's his sister. Bloke meets girl. Girl introduces mum. Mum admits to the family link. Bloke and girl screw anyway. It's funny."

Catchy or what?
 
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(And I also profer bad synopsis writing as the answer to Adman's question why some writers were overlooked)


Is the subtext here is that some (possibly) bad or naive writers got through because they wrote good synopses, but some (of us, we hope) good writers didn't because they wrote bad ones?

I can almost buy that, but if so ... how could a bad writer pen a good synopsis? Luck, maybe?

I still find it interesting that Geoffrey Palmer doing the v/o (great voice, super actor and a great bloke - I met him a a few years ago) hasn't ONCE in the intro's said something like

"This is Joe Bloggs, a painter and decorator from East Cheam. He's been a member of his amateur dramatic group for 16 years and he's written 8 plays, 6 of which have been performed at amateur level and three of which have won significant awards. But such is the difficulty of gaining recognition in this industry, even Joe has never secured a professional production, got an agent or been published."

Why? Well, of course, I can only speculate;

Joe would know what he was doing. Where's the drama in having him filmed saying "... yep, done that already Sonia. And You want this second character's anatagonism toward the female lead toned down? No, don't explain, it's a good idea. I'll have it on your desk tomorrow. No, really, stop, I know exactly what you mean. Sorry, what? No, I don't need to go to see a show to see how a stage set is changed, thanks, I've been doing that for the last few years myself. And just a suggestion, but could you stop saying 'um' do you think? From my acting experience it can make you look a little lacking in confidence. Don't want people thinking I know more than you, do we? Sorry, just my joke."

Above all, Joe isn't going to stand on the stage and have a conversation with the SM which goes something like (and as far as I can recall this is a quote).

"Ooooh, isn't it big? It's lovely. And how much of the audience can the actor see when the lights are on?"

"Well, stand there and Lesley will turn the lights on you" (LIGHTS UP)

"Oooh, isn't it bright - it's lovely."

Also - where's the kudos for Sonia et al getting Joe's play to the stage? Almost nil.

Nope.

It's my firm belief that a good synopsis and a clear (dare I say it) almost pro writing style probably made the bin quicker than one of the 30 contestants could say "Why did I write it? Oh, I dunno, just came to me really. The words - spoken by the people playing pretend in the clothes on the huge podium thing behind the big drapes in front of the sort-of stands where the spectators sit – they just seemed good when I writ them.”

Sorry. Had to get that off my chest!
 
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(And I also profer bad synopsis writing as the answer to Adman's question why some writers were overlooked)

And my 2 cents...

Then that would prove that the selection process was wrong. You may recall that we were required to send 15 mins of the play. If you got binned becuase they hated the synopsis and didn't bother to look at your characterisation and dialogue...

Damn, I read better submissions before the selection date than we saw on Monday night. But again, 'It's telling' they didn't include wrilies and redundancies - a sign to me that the people that I read knew what they are doing. Not much TV in them.
 
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Dropping back to Synopsis writing...

I drafted a new version in my lunchbreak... But I'm sure it's too long...

Wanna pick it apart people, or should I cut it down to the lenght I think it should be (at the moment it's a full A4 page, but I feel it should be just over 3/4 of a page...)?
 
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Sorted it!

"Adopted bloke won't screw anyone in case it's his sister. Bloke meets girl. Girl introduces mum. Mum admits to the family link. Bloke and girl screw anyway. It's funny."

Catchy or what?



OR


Boy meets sister? Meets Mum? Meets destiny! With beer & nuts!


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How about...

Boy wants to knob sister. Demon says yeah. Angel says no. Best mate buys camcorder.
 
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I guess the real synopsis to Denim would read:

Pub. Sex. Demon. Angel. Are you my sister? Shag her anyway! Drinks on the house.
 
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God I've missed this!

Don't get me wrong - it's been great missing it because it's total cr4p - but I did miss it!

Gotta go pick up the dustbins from school. CYA.
 
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