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Four Silver Stars
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Before I take my leave of this invigorating forum I would like to impart a few words ( as words are our lifeblood in this hyperspace ) To create anything you need criticism – someone or something who has to play “devils advocate” otherwise you just think what you are doing is okay - but it may not really not be - (a good case for writing in a team – which is what I think you are trying to do but I still think it’s all a bit shrouded) – When people criticise you it hurts but you have to accept it and make a judgement on it and then argue against it rationally without taking things personally and then using abusive language - I don’t remember ever using abusive language because as a writer I think that is the lowest common demoninator? Do quote me if I did use abusive language – I have a bank of it thrust at me.

Some people in this forum I feel take things too personally – they cannot read between the lines (excuse the pun) – they also form opinions about what I have or haven’t achieved in terms of my literary history (without evidence to back up that opinion)

I love writing – I love performers - I love seeing it performed but I can’t stand people who reject criticism - they won't make me stop writing even though I entered this forum to get support - keep going the rest of you who love seeing your art come alive!! Just keep writing and don't ever be afraid of criticism!!!!!


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I agree MB; Criticism is the fastest way to grow - (reasoned criticism that is) and I actively seek it.

I was surprised and a little disappointed that the Production Team chose to skilfully ignore my question regarding feedback.

In most other competitions there is usually a short-list and a long-list - and feedback is mostly given to at least the long list. They have made no mention of this - and I find it hard to believe that if there was a long list - the PT would choose to keep it secret and that none of the posters here made the cut!?

I had even hoped - by the way in which the scheme was promoted - i.e. to encourage the art form - that they would make the feedback field as wide as possible (OK, not 2,000, but something more than the average long-list) - but alas; I think there was no cut. I think the emphasis of this scheme was and always has bee a reality TV program dressed up as a scheme for the arts.

The best of luck with all of your writing in the future Moonbird.

Minxy
 
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My apologies folks. But I’ve had about as much as I can take of this forum. Its content has deteriorated and its supportive nature has been compromised by a growing fear of being slammed for ‘forming collectives’ ‘being in a clique’ et al. However this thread has pushed me over the edge – and I am now uncertain that I will return. Hence I feel I have to respond to this thread and explain why I disagree so much that I no longer want to return.

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“Before I take my leave of this invigorating forum I would like to impart a few words ( as words are our lifeblood in this hyperspace ) To create anything you need criticism – someone or something who has to play “devils advocate” otherwise you just think what you are doing is okay”


No. You don’t have to play ‘devil’s advocate’. If the writing is good, then it should be pointed out that it is good – not damned for the sake of damning.

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“ - but it may not really not be - (a good case for writing in a team – which is what I think you are trying to do but I still think it’s all a bit shrouded)”


Here we go again – poor old Moonie is a self-inflicted minority! Go back to the CO-OP threads and you’ll see that we couldn’t have been MORE public about it!

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– When people criticise you it hurts but you have to accept it


NO YOU DON’T. Uninvited criticism is tantamount to harassment. You should only accept – and indeed invite – criticism from someone who you trust and respect.

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“and make a judgement on it and then argue against it rationally without taking things personally and then using abusive language - I don’t remember ever using abusive language because as a writer I think that is the lowest common demoninator? Do quote me if I did use abusive language – I have a bank of it thrust at me.”


Oh you paragon of virtue! Do remind us all why you were deleted from the Forum and had to generate a new handle? Please practice what you preach.

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“Some people in this forum I feel take things too personally”


Only when you have made it personal.

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“ – they cannot read between the lines (excuse the pun)”


You keep stating that you are a writer. Therefore you should command the skills that prevent your audience having to read between the lines! If you want your audience to know something – tell them! If you want them to take an image – give it to them!

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“ – they also form opinions about what I have or haven’t achieved in terms of my literary history (without evidence to back up that opinion)”


The only opinion that I have formed is that you are a disruptive and destructive element on this forum – and have been deleted (both individual posts and entire identity) by the moderator of this forum for that very reason.

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I love writing – I love performers - I love seeing it performed but I can’t stand people who reject criticism


Then how about only giving criticism when it has been requested. Else – Shut up.

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- they won't make me stop writing even though I entered this forum to get support - keep going the rest of you who love seeing your art come alive!! Just keep writing and don't ever be afraid of criticism!!!!!


I would never tell anyone to stop writing. I have a great passion for this art form. However, there are too many people out there that are bitter and twisted, and would sooner slam other writers for not agreeing with them, rather than hone their skills and grow. This has now led me to rethink the way I support (and gain support from) other writers. I do not believe this is the place to accomplish this anymore.
 
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Four Silver Stars
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You keep stating that you are a writer. Therefore you should command the skills that prevent your audience having to read between the lines! If you want your audience to know something – tell them! If you want them to take an image


With that quote you have announced to all that you really are a total amateur! But good luck mate all the same!


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Oh and thanks Minxy for your rational and balanced comments - the forum could have done with more like you Smile


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With that quote you have announced to all that you really are a total amateur! But good luck mate all the same!


Moonbird - as we all appear, for all the right reasons, to be saying 'goodbye' on and to this Forum, this is my goodbye to you.

At times I thought you were a pain (quite a few times, actually).

At times (it may surprise you to learn) I've found you entertaining.

At times you p1ssed me off. At times you worried me (especially when I looked at your website and saw how you interacted with your children - I'm a school governor, remember).

But, in the end, with that final insult to Jay, you fully met my expectations of you. I doubt if you have read his work in full; I suspect you have never seen it performed; I know you have never met him; I can tell from your posting that you do not know him. All your own loss.

Good luck Moonbird. Other Forums' loss by your joining of them is our gain by your exemption from ours.

TO EVERYONE ELSE - TO ALL MY FRIENDS ON THIS FORUM, AND EVERYONE WHO HAS GIVEN ME SO MANY GIGGLES IN THE EARLY HOURS, BLACK EYES FROM THE LATE ONES AND TEARS FROM THE LAUGHTER AT ALL TIMES, I WISH YOU HEALTH, HAPPINESS AND SUCCESS; BUT MOSTLY THE FIRST TWO.

ADMAN 1961 SIGNING OUT.
 
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Four Silver Stars
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At last we are free Smile


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But, in the end, with that final insult to Jay, you fully met my expectations of you. I doubt if you have read his work in full; I suspect you have never seen it performed;

You've never read any of <b>my</b> work you arrogant person let alone seen it performed - yet more invective from you - good bye unpleasant person - this forum will be a more comfortable / free place without you


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Three Silver Stars
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Is anybody talking to anybody any more?

Oh well, as I may never come across you guys again Frown, then love, light and peace to you all and all the very best for the future.
 
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