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Originally posted by Dogra:

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The fact remains, as is clear, that there is a genetic diffference in origin between different castes- something obvious which I was pointing out, and which is clear to see

2- The 'climatic' theory of human appearance is hugely flawed- if climate determines appearance then why do the Inuit not have white skin and not the dark skin they have, human appearance is generally determined by human migrations and it takes a very long time for that to change unless there is some kind of radical or cataclysmic event

Genetic evidence is not fact, just go to North India and see for youself. Are they white skinned people there? There are small number of lighter complexions due to later invasions and mixing.
But to somehow go on about how Bhramins are all light and other castes are not is frankly diabolical nonsense.
My parents nor uncles nor friends never mentioned this light bhramin business because it does not exist, it all hocus pocus, and when u see the physicalities of people it will become crystal clear.
e.g. look at the Indian, Pakstani, Sri Lankan and Bangladeshi cricket teams, Sri Lankans are more dark because of their hotter climate, Indians mixed bag, Pakistanis with a few exceptions are less 'darker'- due to climate.
North and South Europeans differ in skin tone, why? ans: climate.
The later invaders who came acrss the Khyber pass were minute in number compared to the already existencing large Indian population.
Goto Kashmir, which is a less warm climate and the people there are generally more lighter.

The fact of the matter is the Hindu caste system is a reflection of the tripartite caste system to be found in the mythologies and histories of all Indo-European peoples.

Whats indigenous?
We all come from Africa.

The North part of the subcontinent was not empty until the Aryans migrated and later invasions occured. People from the south of India went up north, and later mixing of people occured, resulting in a number of mixed people.
By looking at the people will confirm this.

This invasion theory as the cause of the breakup of the Harrapan civilisation has been disproved as there was a river saraswati which dried up, and hence the settlements moved to other water areas.
Now a % of this migration would have logically gone the other way across the Khyber into Afghanistan.

Peoples have always moved around.
This Aryan invasion has been used as divisive tool, and a falsehood of claiming Hinduism came from outside, if so, then why do Hindu temples mostly reside in India, and where are the temples in Central Asia?
This does not mean there have been no outside influences, but the founding lies in India.

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Originally posted by Stormer88:


The fact of the matter is the Hindu caste system is a reflection of the tripartite caste system to be found in the mythologies and histories of all Indo-European peoples.

Here we have another saying, where in Hindu scriptures does the discriminatory caste system exist, where does it say you have to discriminate:

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Originally posted by Dogra:
Whats indigenous?
We all come from Africa.

The North part of the subcontinent was not empty until the Aryans migrated and later invasions occured. People from the south of India went up north, and later mixing of people occured, resulting in a number of mixed people.
By looking at the people will confirm this.

This invasion theory as the cause of the breakup of the Harrapan civilisation has been disproved as there was a river saraswati which dried up, and hence the settlements moved to other water areas.
Now a % of this migration would have logically gone the other way across the Khyber into Afghanistan.

Peoples have always moved around.
This Aryan invasion has been used as divisive tool, and a falsehood of claiming Hinduism came from outside, if so, then why do Hindu temples mostly reside in India, and where are the temples in Central Asia?
This does not mean there have been no outside influences, but the founding lies in India.

Comparative linguistics, comparative mythology and genetics confirm what we already know-that white Indo-European warriors invaded and colonised what became India and instituted a caste system to prevent miscegenation with the Dravidian non-Aryan peoples.
This helps to explain why there is such racial variety within India and why the pure Aryan type can still be found there as it can be in Iran.

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Originally posted by Dogra:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:


The fact of the matter is the Hindu caste system is a reflection of the tripartite caste system to be found in the mythologies and histories of all Indo-European peoples.

Here we have another saying, where in Hindu scriptures does the discriminatory caste system exist, where does it say you have to discriminate:

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Have you never read the Laws of Manu?
In fact I am currently on chapter 10 of the said work and caste[varna] permeates the entire work with restrictions and prohibitions against miscegenation between castes.
The caste system is a factor in the history and mythology of ALL the Indo-European peoples.
Through the study of the Vedas, Upanishads and the Laws of Manu we can gain insight into the world of our Proto Indo-European ancestors of millenia ago.

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

Comparative linguistics, comparative mythology and genetics confirm what we already know-that white Indo-European warriors invaded and colonised what became India and instituted a caste system to prevent miscegenation with the Dravidian non-Aryan peoples.
This helps to explain why there is such racial variety within India and why the pure Aryan type can still be found there as it can be in Iran.[/QUOTE]

The breakup up of the Harrapan civilisation was not caused by the Aryan invasion of that time. Ask yourself how can warriors suddenly become priests? nonsense.
Again River sarawati dried up.

There were later invasions, earlier migrations, but people were already in North part of India.
There must have been mixing, again by looking at people and rthe truth appears.
You talk of pure Aryan type, can you provide evidence of pure blood, think this to be highly unlikely, though in very small numbers there may be, but that is irrelevant in % terms.

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Originally posted by Dogra:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

Comparative linguistics, comparative mythology and genetics confirm what we already know-that white Indo-European warriors invaded and colonised what became India and instituted a caste system to prevent miscegenation with the Dravidian non-Aryan peoples.
This helps to explain why there is such racial variety within India and why the pure Aryan type can still be found there as it can be in Iran.

The breakup up of the Harrapan civilisation was not caused by the Aryan invasion of that time. Ask yourself how can warriors suddenly become priests? nonsense.
Again River sarawati dried up.

There were later invasions, earlier migrations, but people were already in North part of India.
There must have been mixing, again by looking at people and rthe truth appears.
You talk of pure Aryan type, can you provide evidence of pure blood, think this to be highly unlikely, though in very small numbers there may be, but that is irrelevant in % terms.[/QUOTE]

Before you venture to comment on a subject you should first acquire a modicum of knowledge on the said subject.
Clearly you haven`t or you would not have made such an asinine statement.
The priestly, warrior and producer functions are to be found in all ancient Indo-European societies and these seperate funcyions or castes were already in place before the Aryan invasion of India and after the invasion they were reinforced due to the presence of a large non-Aryan majority aboriginal population.
I see Indian as a warning for the rest of us if we allow large numbers of non-Aryan peoples within our lands.
Now more than ever Aryan people need to regain their racial identity and take pride in it and form seperate communities until we win our lands back.

I don't wish to appear picky but one of my pet hates is when people spell separate wrong!

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Now more than ever Aryan people need to regain their racial identity and take pride in it and form seperate communities until we win our lands back.

How can you take pride in something that you have no influence over? If I'd won a competition due to my own hard work then I could be proud of that achievement, but to take pride in a particular set of genes that you were born with is just ridiculous and totally unwarranted.

What do you think the point would be in regaining racial identity? To what end? Biologically speaking, it's better to have a wider gene pool, so to narrow it through some kind of race focused breeding program would actually be counterproductive and the end result would actually be weaker human beings.

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Originally posted by Asarualim:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:
Now more than ever Aryan people need to regain their racial identity and take pride in it and form seperate communities until we win our lands back.

How can you take pride in something that you have no influence over? If I'd won a competition due to my own hard work then I could be proud of that achievement, but to take pride in a particular set of genes that you were born with is just ridiculous and totally unwarranted.

What do you think the point would be in regaining racial identity? To what end? Biologically speaking, it's better to have a wider gene pool, so to narrow it through some kind of race focused breeding program would actually be counterproductive and the end result would actually be weaker human beings.

One should take pride in the achievement of one`s ancestors AND descendants. This is a natural human emotion and one experienced by most sane and healthy people.
Homosexuals are encouraged to take pride in their sexual orientation and blacks are encoraged to take pride in their identity so I see no reason at all why Aryans should not take pride in their heritage.
The Aryan gene pool has enough `diversity` within itself. We do not and never have needed to miscegenate ourselves to somehow `improve` our stock.
What we should be doing is allowing the very fittest of our stock to breed with each other selectively as was once the case in the past.
Our genes are borrowed. We must safeguard them for future generations as a sacred trust.

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Originally posted by Stormer88:


Before you venture to comment on a subject you should first acquire a modicum of knowledge on the said subject.
Clearly you haven`t or you would not have made such an asinine statement.
The priestly, warrior and producer functions are to be found in all ancient Indo-European societies and these seperate funcyions or castes were already in place before the Aryan invasion of India and after the invasion they were reinforced due to the presence of a large non-Aryan majority aboriginal population.

Oh dear, have you not read that the river saraswati dried up and this is what caused the break up of the Harappan civilisation, scientific evidence proves this, or are you going to say that scientific evidence is not part of a modicum of knowlegde .

As you cannot admit this, your indenial.

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due to the presence of a large non-Aryan majority aboriginal population.

Well you got the majority non Aryan bit right.

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I see Indian as a warning for the rest of us if we allow large numbers of non-Aryan peoples within our lands.

How is this a warning, basic recognition of humnaity need to prevail, not corrupted practice that is evil.

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Now more than ever Aryan people need to regain their racial identity and take pride in it and form seperate communities until we win our lands back.

Ahh the master race, is that what ur babbling about, the pure blood, which you said can be found in Iran and India, where i ask you again.

You forget we are originally from Africa, no pure blood, there maybe closer to pure blood, but those are few in number.

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Originally posted by Stormer88:


Have you never read the Laws of Manu?

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So the Vedas recognize different people have different skills and qualifications, but it is no by birth, it is by guna [qualification] and karma [work]. So if someone born of a sudra [worker] father becomes qualified [guna] and works as [karma] a brahmana he should be accepted as a brahmana... In the same way if the son of a brahmana doesn't have the qualifications of a brahmana or work as a brahmana then he is not a brahmana. There are so many examples of this in the Vedic scriptures.

The current Indian system is something like accepting the sons of supreme court judges as supreme court judges... It's nonsense. They have to be qualified, they have to attend the university and pass the course, then they have to work under a qualified judge and get the practical experience, then they may be able to become supreme court judges...

It is not by birth, but guna, qualification.
But this system has failed as it has become corrupted and evil, and invalid and in the modern society.


ps i see this post, posted earlier has been hidden why so?

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Originally posted by Dogra:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:


Before you venture to comment on a subject you should first acquire a modicum of knowledge on the said subject.
Clearly you haven`t or you would not have made such an asinine statement.
The priestly, warrior and producer functions are to be found in all ancient Indo-European societies and these seperate funcyions or castes were already in place before the Aryan invasion of India and after the invasion they were reinforced due to the presence of a large non-Aryan majority aboriginal population.

Oh dear, have you not read that the river saraswati dried up and this is what caused the break up of the Harappan civilisation, scientific evidence proves this, or are you going to say that scientific evidence is not part of a modicum of knowlegde .

As you cannot admit this, your indenial.

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due to the presence of a large non-Aryan majority aboriginal population.

Well you got the majority non Aryan bit right.

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I see Indian as a warning for the rest of us if we allow large numbers of non-Aryan peoples within our lands.

How is this a warning, basic recognition of humnaity need to prevail, not corrupted practice that is evil.

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Now more than ever Aryan people need to regain their racial identity and take pride in it and form seperate communities until we win our lands back.

Ahh the master race, is that what ur babbling about, the pure blood, which you said can be found in Iran and India, where i ask you again.

You forget we are originally from Africa, no pure blood, there maybe closer to pure blood, but those are few in number.

I am not discussing the `Harappan civilisation` but the arrival of the white skinned, blue eyed blond haired Indo-European invaders of the Indus Valley.
Their arrival is a matter of history and their setting up of a strict caste system was to protect themselves from miscegenation with the dark skinned Dravidians.
All of these events are reflected in the ancient Hindu scriptures, most notably the Rig Vedas. The discussion of the laws reating to the maintenance of the caste system are to be found in the Laws of Manu.
Their tripartite Aryan caste system[not counting the non-Aryan Sudras] is mirrored amongst other ancient Indo-European peoples also. It is always tripartite.

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Originally posted by Dogra:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:


Before you venture to comment on a subject you should first acquire a modicum of knowledge on the said subject.
Clearly you haven`t or you would not have made such an asinine statement.
The priestly, warrior and producer functions are to be found in all ancient Indo-European societies and these seperate funcyions or castes were already in place before the Aryan invasion of India and after the invasion they were reinforced due to the presence of a large non-Aryan majority aboriginal population.

Oh dear, have you not read that the river saraswati dried up and this is what caused the break up of the Harappan civilisation, scientific evidence proves this, or are you going to say that scientific evidence is not part of a modicum of knowlegde .

As you cannot admit this, your indenial.

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due to the presence of a large non-Aryan majority aboriginal population.

Well you got the majority non Aryan bit right.

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I see Indian as a warning for the rest of us if we allow large numbers of non-Aryan peoples within our lands.

How is this a warning, basic recognition of humnaity need to prevail, not corrupted practice that is evil.

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Now more than ever Aryan people need to regain their racial identity and take pride in it and form seperate communities until we win our lands back.

Ahh the master race, is that what ur babbling about, the pure blood, which you said can be found in Iran and India, where i ask you again.

You forget we are originally from Africa, no pure blood, there maybe closer to pure blood, but those are few in number.

In reply to your last point, you or your ancestors may come from Africa but mine all originate from the ancient lands of Germania in northern Europe.
The `Out of Africa` theory is as ridiculous as the Adam and Eve fable of xtianity and judaism.

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Originally posted by Dogra:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:


Have you never read the Laws of Manu?

Link

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So the Vedas recognize different people have different skills and qualifications, but it is no by birth, it is by guna [qualification] and karma [work]. So if someone born of a sudra [worker] father becomes qualified [guna] and works as [karma] a brahmana he should be accepted as a brahmana... In the same way if the son of a brahmana doesn't have the qualifications of a brahmana or work as a brahmana then he is not a brahmana. There are so many examples of this in the Vedic scriptures.

The current Indian system is something like accepting the sons of supreme court judges as supreme court judges... It's nonsense. They have to be qualified, they have to attend the university and pass the course, then they have to work under a qualified judge and get the practical experience, then they may be able to become supreme court judges...

It is not by birth, but guna, qualification.
But this system has failed as it has become corrupted and evil, and invalid and in the modern society.


ps i see this post, posted earlier has been hidden why so?

If you care to read the Laws of Manu you will find that caste is hereditary, not something you can acquire although one can obviously fall from caste for eating the wrong foods, having intercourse with the wrong people, etc, etc.
The only upward mobility for caste is found in the doctrine of reincarnation.
One must always carry out what is referred to as the activities of ones innate nature, ie imparting knowledge for the priestly caste, protection by the warrior caste and business/farming/production by the commoner caste.
This is how the Indo-European caste system differs from the degenerate class system of the anti-traditional `modern` world.

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

I am not discussing the `Harappan civilisation` but the arrival of the white skinned, blue eyed blond haired Indo-European invaders of the Indus Valley.
Their arrival is a matter of history and their setting up of a strict caste system was to protect themselves from miscegenation with the dark skinned Dravidians.
All of these events are reflected in the ancient Hindu scriptures, most notably the Rig Vedas. The discussion of the laws reating to the maintenance of the caste system are to be found in the Laws of Manu.
Their tripartite Aryan caste system[not counting the non-Aryan Sudras] is mirrored amongst other ancient Indo-European peoples also. It is always tripartite.[/QUOTE]

OK, now you are onto something else. As often the Harrapan civilisation breakup has been put down to Aryan invasion, which has been confined to the dustbin of human history.

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

In reply to your last point, you or your ancestors may come from Africa but mine all originate from the ancient lands of Germania in northern Europe.
The `Out of Africa` theory is as ridiculous as the Adam and Eve fable of xtianity and judaism.[/QUOTE]

Listen, Stephen Oppenheimer has stated it:
Ohhhh
and so has Spencer Wells:
Ahhhhh

So you see we all originate from Arica, thats the end game.

Its your choice to disbelieve the above

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

If you care to read the Laws of Manu you will find that caste is hereditary, not something you can acquire although one can obviously fall from caste for eating the wrong foods, having intercourse with the wrong people, etc, etc.
The only upward mobility for caste is found in the doctrine of reincarnation.
One must always carry out what is referred to as the activities of ones innate nature, ie imparting knowledge for the priestly caste, protection by the warrior caste and business/farming/production by the commoner caste.
This is how the Indo-European caste system differs from the degenerate class system of the anti-traditional `modern` world.[/QUOTE]

Again, a so called lower caste can become anyone depending on his hard work,as stated above, if you like to read it, and look at the real message.
The practicality has been corrupted, and hence a failed system, that has no place im society.

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Originally posted by Dogra:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

I am not discussing the `Harappan civilisation` but the arrival of the white skinned, blue eyed blond haired Indo-European invaders of the Indus Valley.
Their arrival is a matter of history and their setting up of a strict caste system was to protect themselves from miscegenation with the dark skinned Dravidians.
All of these events are reflected in the ancient Hindu scriptures, most notably the Rig Vedas. The discussion of the laws reating to the maintenance of the caste system are to be found in the Laws of Manu.
Their tripartite Aryan caste system[not counting the non-Aryan Sudras] is mirrored amongst other ancient Indo-European peoples also. It is always tripartite.

OK, now you are onto something else. As often the Harrapan civilisation breakup has been put down to Aryan invasion, which has been confined to the dustbin of human history.[/QUOTE]

No, the Aryan Invasion Theory has not been `confined to the dustbin of history` as you allege. It is rejected by some Indians who are seeking an identity which is not dependant on white Indo-European civilisation and by some liberals who make a career out of denegrating the achievements of the Aryan race.
There is no other way to account for the events related in the Rig Vedas and other Hindu scriptures, the fact that Sanscrit is an Indo-European tongue and the shared haplogroups to be found in parts of the higher caste Indian population which shows a variation of skin tones and other facial features. Some Indans are indistinguisable from northern Europeans.
Aryan Indian civilisation is also inextricably linked with Iran as the Indian Aryans and Iranian Aryans formed a single ethnic group prior to their dispersal into the Indus Valley and Iran and after their dispersal from Europe when they split from the Proto Indo-Europeans.
Hindu mythology is also inextricably linked with most European mythologies as well as anyone with an understanding of comparative mythology and comparative linguistics can confirm.

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Originally posted by Dogra:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

If you care to read the Laws of Manu you will find that caste is hereditary, not something you can acquire although one can obviously fall from caste for eating the wrong foods, having intercourse with the wrong people, etc, etc.
The only upward mobility for caste is found in the doctrine of reincarnation.
One must always carry out what is referred to as the activities of ones innate nature, ie imparting knowledge for the priestly caste, protection by the warrior caste and business/farming/production by the commoner caste.
This is how the Indo-European caste system differs from the degenerate class system of the anti-traditional `modern` world.

Again, a so called lower caste can become anyone depending on his hard work,as stated above, if you like to read it, and look at the real message.
The practicality has been corrupted, and hence a failed system, that has no place im society.[/QUOTE]

Not in a single lifetime according to the Laws of Manu. Have you in fact actually read the Laws of Manu or any of the sacred Hindu texts?