Originally posted by Blake2go: Have Black Americans added to, or subtracted from, your life. This is an open ended question, take it where you will.
Well, it's clear to me that, considering the immense influence of American popular culture, it would be surprising if the African American contribution to that didn't have much impact!
The example of African American perseverance and success in the face of extreme challenges has inspired many people in the African diaspora. The negatives have also had an effect, it seems.
My very personal bugbear: the fact that 'Black Writing Sections' in British bookshops are dominated by lowbrow, African American books. I find it really irritating!
Black American culture has completely subjugated black British culture - to the extent that all we do is copy what is successful over there. Whilst I am in no doubt that civil rights leaders of the Sixties achieved much in advancing the cause of black people, I am not sure if the likes of 50 Cent are carrying on their tradition! And, as for your complaint, Miss Dee, you are so correct. All we seem to do is lap up Sista Souljah books (and her copyists) whilst genuine talent gets overlooked. May I, therefore, point you in the right direction as to some genuine black British talent? I heartily recommend 'One Love Two Colours' by Margaret Oshindele-Smith, a book that shows the reality of life in England today.
Originally posted by Bobby S.: Black American culture has completely subjugated black British culture - to the extent that all we do is copy what is successful over there. Whilst I am in no doubt that civil rights leaders of the Sixties achieved much in advancing the cause of black people, I am not sure if the likes of 50 Cent are carrying on their tradition! And, as for your complaint, Miss Dee, you are so correct. All we seem to do is lap up Sista Souljah books (and her copyists) whilst genuine talent gets overlooked. May I, therefore, point you in the right direction as to some genuine black British talent? I heartily recommend 'One Love Two Colours' by Margaret Oshindele-Smith, a book that shows the reality of life in England today.
Hmm! Nice to get recommendations for books! So what's Margaret's book about? Sell it to me!
I can think of one field where Black Britain is attempting to carve out a separate identity from Black America - the field of theology. I know some black theologians who are attempting to free their discipline from American dominance. On the other hand, the field of black theology was born, in the USA I think, and there's no point in denying that, just as there's no point in denying the influence of African American music on Black British music.
Ah Miss Dee, you can read the details of the book I mentioned on the Amazon site. All I can say is that One Love is a true story of how a black woman can overcome prejudice - a prejudice that largely comes from her own Yoruba circles. Apart from that, the book shows the reality of what inter-racial couples have to put up with for the 'crime' of falling in love with someone who looks different to themselves. Effectively, it shows how the segregation trap can be overcome.
Ok, I am not an intellectual but I am certainly going to try and look at this as intelligently as possible.
First of all I think that no matter where we go in the world, no matter who we meet, every civilization, every race, creed and colour has given something yet also treated others badly.
I was born in England and I am of African descent.
When I look at my cousins across the Atlantic this is what I think when I think of what they have contributed. Weather we care to admit it or not African America has influenced every corner of fasion and popular music. Fasion, young teenagers here in the UK like to dress "Street". Music, Jazz, Blues are now talked about in schools. Hip Hop isn't about pimping ho's and driving benzos. I have been listening to Hip Hop for over 20 years and am completly embaressed by 50 cent and the like. In some schools Maya Angolou and Malcom X are part of an all round education although more needs to be done to recognise thier achievments. I remember my music lessons in school very well. We were certainly told about Elvis and I think we all know where he got his music from.
On a final note, what I would like to say is this, Malcom X said, towards the end of his life, that we are all human beings. All of us, including myself, need to put our predjudice aside. We are not enimies with each other. Black, White, Spanish, we are all one people. We, the ordinary working people of this country, this world, are the same and all of us have one common enemy. Politicans. They are the ones who keep us divided. It is western governmants who perpetuating hate against the world of Islam ever since this last war started. It is the likes of the BNP here in the UK that are instigating hate amongst the ordinary working people. They govern us by a concept known as "Divide and Rule". The Polititions of the world who keep us divided are the real enemies of the human race. Tony Blair, George Bush. These terroists are our enemies. You, black, white, asian, spanish, you are my brothers and sisters. The ordinary working people of this country are part of one big family. If we came together and united, put out prejudices aside we could overthrow any government and really mould society the way we wanted. My brothers and sisters, of all colours, the truth is, we are our own worst enemy. As long as we remain here hating each other over whatever reason we will ALL remain slaves to the those in government. WE employ our governments and can have them fired at any time by calling for an Election. We are the ones who hold the real power. The only thing that is stopping us wielding this power is the fact that we remain divided. Let us not ask how African America has contributed to our world. Let us ask how human beings have contribted to the human race
It is western governmants who perpetuating hate against the world of Islam ever since this last war started. It is the likes of the BNP here in the UK that are instigating hate amongst the ordinary working people.
Mmmm.......so its just the west that spreads hate. OK, lets look at Malcom X going to Saudi Arabia in 1964 for his fifth pillar. Nice, well he was totally in awe of the centre of Islam but some how conveniently forgetting the fact that Saudi Arabia had just stopped in 1962 the practice of keeping BLACK slaves.
He certainly perpetrating a lot of myths about the west and about the treatment of blacks by Muslim Arabians.
He was a great "cherry picker", something we are all guilty off, he preached hate and his organization "Nation of Islam" was a black supremacist's movement. He has helped contribute to the racism that is prevalent in th USA. What was the difference the KKK and Malcoms X.
Worker's of the world unite! Just don't force socialism on other people, even "the rich". Freedom is more important than equality, especially economic freedom. Socialism is best served in the form of like minded people coming together and forming a commune.
Originally posted by gt: What was the difference the KKK and Malcoms X.
Malcolm X didn't hang black and white people.
Rather, he fought against the racist injustice of white supremacists and the tyrannical prejudice teachings of the NOI, hence they killed him.
QOS, some people know nothing about history, as they rather read history fed too them by the likes of David Irving and we aLL KNOW that he's not what you will call a credited historian, don't we?
Originally posted by The infamous LA: Rather, he fought against the racist injustice of white supremacists and the tyrannical prejudice teachings of the NOI, hence they killed him.
QOS, some people know nothing about history, as they rather read history fed too them by the likes of David Irving and we aLL KNOW that he's not what you will call a credited historian, don't we?
I don't know, but comparing M X to the KKK is way off!
Well, certain people job on here is too twist the truth and find ways and means to justify the unjustifyable. This sort of mumbo-jumbo they often wrap up as rational thought .
Originally posted by gt: What was the difference the KKK and Malcoms X.
Malcolm X didn't hang black and white people.
Rather, he fought against the racist injustice of white supremacists and the tyrannical prejudice teachings of the NOI, hence they killed him.
QOS, some people know nothing about history, as they rather read history fed too them by the likes of David Irving and we aLL KNOW that he's not what you will call a credited historian, don't we?
It seems you think being a black racist assumes a moral victory of an assumed white racist.
Originally posted by The infamous LA: Rather, he fought against the racist injustice of white supremacists and the tyrannical prejudice teachings of the NOI, hence they killed him.
QOS, some people know nothing about history, as they rather read history fed too them by the likes of David Irving and we aLL KNOW that he's not what you will call a credited historian, don't we?
I don't know, but comparing M X to the KKK is way off!
The comparison is basically down to being a racist. In the context of the poster I was responding to, I felt I was on the money, they are both rascist.
I assume you think the BNP then are morally superior than the chaps who murdered 52 people in London Underground.
Although a group may not be directly complicant in a murder their attitudes obviously foster thoughts in their head that result in "actions".
Originally posted by The infamous LA: Well, certain people job on here is too twist the truth and find ways and means to justify the unjustifyable. This sort of mumbo-jumbo they often wrap up as rational thought .
Rational thought isn't your strong point off course.
Its important to read through your use of the word "rational" thought. This is assumed by Black racists to be the Greek development of classical method to thinking that eventually created the holocaust.
I suppose the the genocide in Rwanda a number of years back wasn't caused by "Rational" thought was it, but spontaneous tribal loveliness.
Originally posted by Blake2go: Have Black Americans added to, or subtracted from, your life. This is an open ended question, take it where you will.
Well if drive by shootings, ridiculous `street gangsta` clothing and misogynist and racist `music` is anything to go by then I would say that their effect has been `less than positive.`
Originally posted by gt: What was the difference the KKK and Malcoms X.
Malcolm X didn't hang black and white people.
And while you are at it perhaps you could enlighten us all by telling us how many history books you have had published?
Rather, he fought against the racist injustice of white supremacists and the tyrannical prejudice teachings of the NOI, hence they killed him.
QOS, some people know nothing about history, as they rather read history fed too them by the likes of David Irving and we aLL KNOW that he's not what you will call a credited historian, don't we?
If you are going to dish the dirt about Mr Irving you should at least do so without hiding behind an anonymous user name! That would be the honourable thing to do.
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