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quote: Originally posted by Andrew Y: quote: Originally posted by Miss Dee: quote: Originally posted by Andrew Y:
zwaraaaa, well done on introducing this topic. I mostly agree with what you say.
But why single out anti-racist groups. Surely anti-sexist groups and almost all other "Anti" groups are going to suffer from roughly the same thing?
It seems to me that this is just a part of human nature, always looking at a situation or person froma very slim point of view.
What about people who are anti-anti-groups? Are they exempt from criticism?
Nobody should be exempt from criticism. Why would you think such a thing? As for anti-anti groups, why do people always need groups?
No, you're not in a group, but you're anti (ie against) other people being in anti-whatever groups! This could get confusing! |
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But i am not anti other people being in an anti group. I just think that these groups tend to attract oversensitive types and so often fall into saying that critics of them are for the things they are against.
Life is no dichotomy.
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quote: Originally posted by Andrew Y:
But i am not anti other people being in an anti group. I just think that these groups tend to attract oversensitive types and so often fall into saying that critics of them are for the things they are against.
I think it's too easy to say this kind of thing when the 'group' that you belong to is seen to represent what is perceived to be the either the majority, the neutral, the mainstream or the superior perception of the world. You need to try to understand where the other person is coming from before you condemn him/her as oversensitive. |
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quote: Originally posted by Miss Dee: quote: Originally posted by Andrew Y:
But i am not anti other people being in an anti group. I just think that these groups tend to attract oversensitive types and so often fall into saying that critics of them are for the things they are against.
I think it's too easy to say this kind of thing when the 'group' that you belong to is seen to represent what is perceived to be the either the majority, the neutral, the mainstream or the superior perception of the world. You need to try to understand where the other person is coming from before you condemn him/her as oversensitive.
I very much agree with what you say. I do not belong to what you describe as "majority, neutral, mainstream or superior perception". I would also like to think i always try to understand anothers perspective before i criticise them (condemn, i have not condemned anyone). What gets my goat is that the very real issues these groups are trying to highlight get easily overshadowed by the oversensitives. I believe it is mostly counterproductive to their goals. That being said, i probably do have a different opinion on what is oversensitive to most people (most likely i accept more of this stuff than others would). |
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quote: Originally posted by Andrew Y:
I never said "i am a male", so i can't possibly be a male.
Wrong, that would mean I don't know whether you are a male or not, just like Miss Dee doesn't know whether I am singling out racism or not since I never said anything to suggest I was singling out racism. |
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I get the impression people are unaware of the extent of the psychological impact of racism and certain groups intentially hide/deny the fact that being oversensitive is one of these. Whether racism is everywhere or not doesn't matter, the laws of physics and logic doesn't change depending how racist a society is, an assertion is either racist by definition or not.
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quote: Originally posted by zwaraaaa: quote: Originally posted by Andrew Y:
I never said "i am a male", so i can't possibly be a male.
Wrong, that would mean I don't know whether you are a male or not, just like Miss Dee doesn't know whether I am singling out racism or not since I never said anything to suggest I was singling out racism.
? I was just repeating your words, slightly cheekily. The point i was trying to make was that just because you don't say you are doing something does not mean that you are not doing it. It seemed a silly argument to me. Also the most important thing about wether or not a assertation is racist is the definition of racism itself. |
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Sorry for the spelling mistakes, but apparently i no longer have permission to edit my posts. Guess i will just bhave to check them before i post them, zzzzz.
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Its never fail to amaze me, the amount of time and energy that certain types (mostly the am-not-a-racist-l-got-Black-pals crowd)spend berating ant-racists, victims of hates and anyone who dares tell it like it is about racism, but they hardly got one minute to study closely the evidence against those, who anti-racists target.
Their constant shoutind down at anyone who detest racism, always remind one of the weak arguments of women haters, who blame females for being raped because they were wearing short dresses or asking for it, total lack of understanding and perhaps, shows them too be on the side of evil/bad.
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quote: Originally posted by Andrew Y:
Also the most important thing about wether or not a assertation is racist is the definition of racism itself.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. Saying asians are more prone to lactose intolerance is not racism (or we'd have to send all doctors to prison for being racist), but saying that you must have lactose intolerance because you are asian is racism. |
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quote: Originally posted by LA the son of JAH:
Its never fail to amaze me, the amount of time and energy that certain types (mostly the am-not-a-racist-l-got-Black-pals crowd)spend berating ant-racists, victims of hates and anyone who dares tell it like it is about racism, but they hardly got one minute to study closely the evidence against those, who anti-racists target.
Their constant shoutind down at anyone who detest racism, always remind one of the weak arguments of women haters, who blame females for being raped because they were wearing short dresses or asking for it, total lack of understanding and perhaps, shows them too be on the side of evil/bad.
I'm an anti-racist telling it like it is. |
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quote: Originally posted by zwaraaaa: quote: Originally posted by LA the son of JAH:
Its never fail to amaze me, the amount of time and energy that certain types (mostly the am-not-a-racist-l-got-Black-pals crowd)spend berating ant-racists, victims of hates and anyone who dares tell it like it is about racism, but they hardly got one minute to study closely the evidence against those, who anti-racists target.
Their constant shoutind down at anyone who detest racism, always remind one of the weak arguments of women haters, who blame females for being raped because they were wearing short dresses or asking for it, total lack of understanding and perhaps, shows them too be on the side of evil/bad.
I'm an anti-racist telling it like it is.
Well, you're telling it as you see it. Which is as much as any of us can claim, I think! Especially when we're talking about other people's experiences, rather than our own! |
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Well we can all agree that instances of going around calling anything and everything racist is wrong, however often it occurs.
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quote: Originally posted by zwaraaaa:
Well we can all agree that instances of going around calling anything and everything racist is wrong, however often it occurs.
At this stage it might be a good idea for you to give us some examples of specific groups that are guilty of this. I haven't come across them. I'm sure that many organisations get things wrong sometimes, since they're run by ordinary, fallible human beings. But 'going around calling anything and everything racist'? |
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quote: Originally posted by zwaraaaa: quote: Originally posted by LA the son of JAH:
Its never fail to amaze me, the amount of time and energy that certain types (mostly the am-not-a-racist-l-got-Black-pals crowd)spend berating ant-racists, victims of hates and anyone who dares tell it like it is about racism, but they hardly got one minute to study closely the evidence against those, who anti-racists target.
Their constant shoutind down at anyone who detest racism, always remind one of the weak arguments of women haters, who blame females for being raped because they were wearing short dresses or asking for it, total lack of understanding and perhaps, shows them too be on the side of evil/bad.
I'm an anti-racist telling it like it is.
Of cause you are  Oh, I jus see a pig flying in the sky and Nick Griffin just appeared on BBC singing the praises of diverse britain |
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