It is true that 6 million Jews did not die in concentration camps during world war 2.



Do you think this means the holocaust didn't happen or are you shocked? The statement I made does not necessarily mean the holocaust didn't happen, just that less than 6 million jews were killed in concentration camps. Both sides of the argument should start listenning to the logical side of your brain for once.

Over 50 million people died in world war 2, then majority of whom were civilians and jews got the poo end of the stick because, you may have noticed, the nazis were not too fond of jews. Many Jews were killed by collateral damage, resisting the nazis or simply died of disease and starvation. The figures holocaust deniers get from concentration camp records are for the jews that were killed in concentration camps, not the amount who's deaths came earlier due to the war and those that were murderred.

Judaism is a religion not a race. It's just that being observant you are separated from non Jews.

Until last year I had always thought that my family had escaped the Shoah (Holocaust). I was wrong. One great aunt died in the Warsaw ghetto and other great aunt and her family died in Treblinka. That came as a shock.

LOL, those guys must be the ones who were priced out of the synagogues' membership fees . That is what happens when a jewish person cannot afford to seek advice from an insular rabbi such as J Sachs.

The only thing wrong is confusing Israel with Jewishness. That state is some hard core terrorist state and not even a free country cos they are under an American Protectorate.

Anyways, the last time I checked "Jew/s" was suppose to be an insult. Now its PC to call them "Jewish". Otherwise ppl might smell anti-semitism from this post.

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Originally posted by dannyanity:
aaaawwwwwhhhhh poor jews! they actually believe they are the chosen ones and that they are superior humans and they have (apparently) also been kicked out of every country they have ever tried to settle in, cant think why!

Won't be long now before you start qouting David Irving scriptures, judging from your above comments.

Just for the record, Jews getting kicked out of many nations, had all to do with racist persecution and nothing to do with Jews commiting any crimes.

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Originally posted by dannyanity:
My girlfriend who's grandparents are polish) has been to Auschwitz and looked at the four ovens (one body per oven) where they burned em!
The jews helped my girlfriend's grandad and vise versa when it was all going on in poland, believe me I have actual accounts of what went on from someone who was there.
What I know, was certainly not indoctrinated into me by my local shcool.

And by the way I dont attack anyone, and I do not hate anyone either.


I'm entitled to my views dudes

Danny, could you please tell me then, what Bobby have been indoctrinated with?

The fact that millions of Jews were murdered by Hitler boys?

or the fact that many Eastern Europeans were les colloborators in helping the Nazis round up Jew for the gas chambers?

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Originally posted by Bobby Smith:
I have also actually met 3 people who were around in Poland at the time of the Holocaust. 2 were camp survivors and one was a guy who miraculously survived the Jewish Warsaw uprising of 1943. It is sobering indeed to listen to people who endured past suffering for us to be able to freely write such rubbish today.

I have alse met a many few Holocaust survivors in me time. The most recent one was a Jewish women who spoke at the Darfur march.

The question is not whether or not the holocaust happened or not, because it obviously is. The question is why do so many Jews endorse clearly racist policies, both withiin their community, and in Palestine, considering what they have historically been through

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Originally posted by madhorse:
The question is not whether or not the holocaust happened or not, because it obviously is. The question is why do so many Jews endorse clearly racist policies, both withiin their community, and in Palestine, considering what they have historically been through

Good question indeed.

Perhaps Kumquat might want to answer that question, being Jewish and all?

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Originally posted by dannyanity:
aaaawwwwwhhhhh poor jews! they actually believe they are the chosen ones and that they are superior humans and they have (apparently) also been kicked out of every country they have ever tried to settle in, cant think why!

I'm amazed such blatant racism is allowed to remain in these forums, I suspect this post remains so that everyone can see what filth looks like, recognising this sort fp person is the first step, the second is learning from them, how to keep them away from children and vulnerable adults so that their warped views cannot infect the minds of others. I pity this persona and people like it.

I'm sorry for any group of people that has faced such suffering, I don't agree with their actions in the middle east, but that's not a reason nor an excuse for hatred or laughing at their horrendous history. Innocent people suffered at the hands of Nazis, and they now persecute others, wrong begets wrong apparently. It makes me sad that they didn't learn from the atrocities, wouldn't you have thought that what they suffered would have made them want a better world for their children and the children of all religions/nationalities? Instead they take the Israel we gave them, extend it over into another land and cause decades of suffering.

I still disagree with laughing at their history and mocking them. There is never an excuse for racism

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Originally posted by dannyanity:
bobby smith you have obviously been sucked in but do not tell people what to do, if there's nothing wrong with beieng pro something then there's nothing wrong with the anti something

No, but I see something wrong in being pro or anti groups of people, its generalising and therefore wrong because Im not like every white person, i have different thoughts, feelings and opinions therefor dont want to be lumped into the same box, why should we box people up and say we like this group but not that one? We should be looking only at individuals and their actions before deeming them worthy of our praise or otherwise not whole sections of communities. What is bobby being sucked into by the way?

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Originally posted by SpeakUp:
Since everyone has strayed from the subject matter Id like to come from a diffent angle.

Has anyone read the Talmud latley? do you know what Judaisim preaches? Do you know what it says about non Jews?

just interested, as i only recently did some reading on this and its very clear on what should happen to Non Jews. I was not surprised!!

Very few religious books preach tolerance, I wouldn't get too concerned over this one above all others, all are equally dangerous

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Originally posted by dannyanity:
Amazing, no one has even noticed that I actually know someone who was their.

"I know someone who was their"
"Really, try reading this book"

EH!

You don't, you know someone who knows someone who was helped. Many of us do, many of us have spoken to people who were actually there, it makes no difference, it doesn't give you a right to mock or ridicule. I imagine your girlfriends grandad would be very upset to hear you speak in this way considering the Jews helped him and saved his life. When someone saves your life from the most terrible of deaths, you tend to show a little more gratitude

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Originally posted by zwaraaaa:
It is true that 6 million Jews did not die in concentration camps during world war 2.



Do you think this means the holocaust didn't happen or are you shocked? The statement I made does not necessarily mean the holocaust didn't happen, just that less than 6 million jews were killed in concentration camps. Both sides of the argument should start listenning to the logical side of your brain for once.

Over 50 million people died in world war 2, then majority of whom were civilians and jews got the poo end of the stick because, you may have noticed, the nazis were not too fond of jews. Many Jews were killed by collateral damage, resisting the nazis or simply died of disease and starvation. The figures holocaust deniers get from concentration camp records are for the jews that were killed in concentration camps, not the amount who's deaths came earlier due to the war and those that were murderred.

hmm well according to some, from Auschwitz alone The camp commandant, Rudolf Höss, testified at the Nuremberg Trials that three million had died there. I think I prefer to believe the testimony of one who was on trial for those killings than one who was never anywhere near being thought of at the time and read about it in books many years later If THATS ok

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Originally posted by lilkitten:
LOL, those guys must be the ones who were priced out of the synagogues' membership fees . That is what happens when a jewish person cannot afford to seek advice from an insular rabbi such as J Sachs.

The only thing wrong is confusing Israel with Jewishness. That state is some hard core terrorist state and not even a free country cos they are under an American Protectorate.

Anyways, the last time I checked "Jew/s" was suppose to be an insult. Now its PC to call them "Jewish". Otherwise ppl might smell anti-semitism from this post.

I think you are confusing Zionism (an ideology) with Judaism (the religion) or being Israeli (a nationality)

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Originally posted by madhorse:
The question is not whether or not the holocaust happened or not, because it obviously is. The question is why do so many Jews endorse clearly racist policies, both withiin their community, and in Palestine, considering what they have historically been through

VERY well said MH, its something I cant get my head around either and noone ever answers the question either.

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Originally posted by kumquat:
One of the big problems is the fact that Orthodox Jews, especially the Chief Rabbi, looks down at and ignores those who aren't Orthodox. A well loved Reform Rabbi recently died and the Chief Rabbi would not go to the funeral.

The Chief Rabbi and the Jewish Board of Deputies are nothing but a bunch of hypocrits.They bemoan the fact that the numbers of Jews are dwindling but yet if someone Jewish asks for help, they are ignored. I know, I've been there.

So it's not just the non Jews that are ignored, include also other Jews.

How do you define `jew`?

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Originally posted by kumquat:
Judaism is a religion not a race. It's just that being observant you are separated from non Jews.

Until last year I had always thought that my family had escaped the Shoah (Holocaust). I was wrong. One great aunt died in the Warsaw ghetto and other great aunt and her family died in Treblinka. That came as a shock.

Yes judaism is a religion but the jews are also a distinct ethnic group, semites closely reated to the Arabs.
I find it curious that when it suits some of them they are an ethnic group one day but merely a religious group the next!
Curiously they are the only people who constantly harp on about how they have suffered but all peoples suffered in the war. Millions of ethnic Germans perished during the post war ethnic cleansing carried out in eastern Europe. Millions of German civilians and prisoners of war were starved to death from 1945 onwards but there is no talk of the world commemorating that holocaust or talk of financial compensation!

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by kumquat:
Judaism is a religion not a race. It's just that being observant you are separated from non Jews.

Until last year I had always thought that my family had escaped the Shoah (Holocaust). I was wrong. One great aunt died in the Warsaw ghetto and other great aunt and her family died in Treblinka. That came as a shock.

Yes judaism is a religion but the jews are also a distinct ethnic group, semites closely reated to the Arabs.
I find it curious that when it suits some of them they are an ethnic group one day but merely a religious group the next!
Curiously they are the only people who constantly harp on about how they have suffered but all peoples suffered in the war. Millions of ethnic Germans perished during the post war ethnic cleansing carried out in eastern Europe. Millions of German civilians and prisoners of war were starved to death from 1945 onwards but there is no talk of the world commemorating that holocaust or talk of financial compensation!

LOL, compensation given to a country that STARTED a war, that's a good one!

So if someone stole your car you'd be happy to give them compensation if the brakes didn't work and they were involved in an accident?

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Originally posted by ugetmi:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by kumquat:
Judaism is a religion not a race. It's just that being observant you are separated from non Jews.

Until last year I had always thought that my family had escaped the Shoah (Holocaust). I was wrong. One great aunt died in the Warsaw ghetto and other great aunt and her family died in Treblinka. That came as a shock.

Yes judaism is a religion but the jews are also a distinct ethnic group, semites closely reated to the Arabs.
I find it curious that when it suits some of them they are an ethnic group one day but merely a religious group the next!
Curiously they are the only people who constantly harp on about how they have suffered but all peoples suffered in the war. Millions of ethnic Germans perished during the post war ethnic cleansing carried out in eastern Europe. Millions of German civilians and prisoners of war were starved to death from 1945 onwards but there is no talk of the world commemorating that holocaust or talk of financial compensation!

LOL, compensation given to a country that STARTED a war, that's a good one!

So if someone stole your car you'd be happy to give them compensation if the brakes didn't work and they were involved in an accident?

So this is an example of you so-called moral superiority? You have no problem at all then with ethnic Germans, Volksdeutschen who have lived for centuries in the eastern lands being expelled and murdered on account of their ethnicity?
You are in favour of ethnic cleansing and murdering people-men, women and children whose race or ethnicity is different to your own?
It would seem that you are the real racist on this thread, not I!
Clearly Nuernberg and all the other show trials was more concerned with VENGEANCE not justice.
Thank you for illustrating my point so well!

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Originally posted by ugetmi:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by kumquat:
Judaism is a religion not a race. It's just that being observant you are separated from non Jews.

Until last year I had always thought that my family had escaped the Shoah (Holocaust). I was wrong. One great aunt died in the Warsaw ghetto and other great aunt and her family died in Treblinka. That came as a shock.

Yes judaism is a religion but the jews are also a distinct ethnic group, semites closely reated to the Arabs.
I find it curious that when it suits some of them they are an ethnic group one day but merely a religious group the next!
Curiously they are the only people who constantly harp on about how they have suffered but all peoples suffered in the war. Millions of ethnic Germans perished during the post war ethnic cleansing carried out in eastern Europe. Millions of German civilians and prisoners of war were starved to death from 1945 onwards but there is no talk of the world commemorating that holocaust or talk of financial compensation!

LOL, compensation given to a country that STARTED a war, that's a good one!

So if someone stole your car you'd be happy to give them compensation if the brakes didn't work and they were involved in an accident?

To add, there was NO German holocaust. The present day and post war population of German proves this beyond any doubt. "that holocaust" never happened. The world commemorating a holocaust that never was, is just ridiculous.