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Originally posted by Stormer88:


Where do you get your history from, Channel 4?
No, it is not `obvious` that Germany was `the source of the war`. To blame the defeated power just because the victor has the power to do so is too easy and convenient but it does not make it correct and right.
WWII has its origins in WWI, a continuation of that war and in the unjust Versailles Diktat!
Is it any wonder that there was an Adolf Hitler.
The country needed him in her darkest hour and He came.
I gurantee and predict that within 200 years there will be bronze statues of Hitler erected in Germany when the people finally awaken from their long period of brainwashing and appreciate what He did for them.

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:
Maybe it's worth stating here that Hitler's attempt at ethnic and ideological cleansing involved people other than Jews.

Germans of African ancestry were targetted (remember that Germany had a colonial presence in Africa at one time). Gypsies/Roma people, who may have been German for generations, were not spared. The Nazis also attacked certain religious and political groups and individuals who refused to fit in with their ideology, even if they were otherwise 'good' Germans.

If you are ever in Brno in the Czech Republic I would recommend a visit to the Roma Museusm, which talks about the Roma during the Third Reich. I can also praise an exhibition I once saw at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. The exhibition was about 'medical' experimentation in the Nazi context. Many Germans with disabilities or none at all were damaged or killed as a result of these experiments.

Considering all of this in connection with the extermination of German Jews, you could say that Hitler was indeed waging a war against 'his own' people. He must've got round this problem by defining quite carefully who counted as a 'true' German and who didn't.

How can any authentic `German` have African ancestry?

What exactly is an authentic German?

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:
How can any authentic `German` have African ancestry?

Ah, you're implying that national belonging is purely a matter of genetics, are you? Well, that's what the Nazis themselves thought, and until very recently the Germans had a similar perspective. Many of them probably still do, despite what changes in the law.

But anyway, there have been people of African and mixed ancestry in Germany for some time now.

Here's one website among many on the subject:

http://german.about.com/od/culture/a/blackhistger.htm

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Originally posted by Curls:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:
Maybe it's worth stating here that Hitler's attempt at ethnic and ideological cleansing involved people other than Jews.

Germans of African ancestry were targetted (remember that Germany had a colonial presence in Africa at one time). Gypsies/Roma people, who may have been German for generations, were not spared. The Nazis also attacked certain religious and political groups and individuals who refused to fit in with their ideology, even if they were otherwise 'good' Germans.

If you are ever in Brno in the Czech Republic I would recommend a visit to the Roma Museusm, which talks about the Roma during the Third Reich. I can also praise an exhibition I once saw at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. The exhibition was about 'medical' experimentation in the Nazi context. Many Germans with disabilities or none at all were damaged or killed as a result of these experiments.

Considering all of this in connection with the extermination of German Jews, you could say that Hitler was indeed waging a war against 'his own' people. He must've got round this problem by defining quite carefully who counted as a 'true' German and who didn't.

How can any authentic `German` have African ancestry?

How long does a person have to live somewhere before their nationality and contribution to society is recognised?

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Originally posted by The infamous LA:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:


Where do you get your history from, Channel 4?
No, it is not `obvious` that Germany was `the source of the war`. To blame the defeated power just because the victor has the power to do so is too easy and convenient but it does not make it correct and right.
WWII has its origins in WWI, a continuation of that war and in the unjust Versailles Diktat!
Is it any wonder that there was an Adolf Hitler.
The country needed him in her darkest hour and He came.
I gurantee and predict that within 200 years there will be bronze statues of Hitler erected in Germany when the people finally awaken from their long period of brainwashing and appreciate what He did for them.

And it just so happen that the Jews and millions of innocent people across the globe got killed by Hitler's nazis machine. Where these people responsible for Germany defeat in WW1 too?

An answer will be nice as your hit and run style of posting when confronted with solid fact, makes you look like David Irving, don't you think?

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:
Maybe it's worth stating here that Hitler's attempt at ethnic and ideological cleansing involved people other than Jews.

Germans of African ancestry were targetted (remember that Germany had a colonial presence in Africa at one time). Gypsies/Roma people, who may have been German for generations, were not spared. The Nazis also attacked certain religious and political groups and individuals who refused to fit in with their ideology, even if they were otherwise 'good' Germans.

If you are ever in Brno in the Czech Republic I would recommend a visit to the Roma Museusm, which talks about the Roma during the Third Reich. I can also praise an exhibition I once saw at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. The exhibition was about 'medical' experimentation in the Nazi context. Many Germans with disabilities or none at all were damaged or killed as a result of these experiments.

Considering all of this in connection with the extermination of German Jews, you could say that Hitler was indeed waging a war against 'his own' people. He must've got round this problem by defining quite carefully who counted as a 'true' German and who didn't.

How can any authentic `German` have African ancestry?

What exactly is an authentic German?

He who can trace his German ancestry back without significant admixture. A German is by necessity of German descent, belonging to the German folkgroup by blood.

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Curls:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:
Maybe it's worth stating here that Hitler's attempt at ethnic and ideological cleansing involved people other than Jews.

Germans of African ancestry were targetted (remember that Germany had a colonial presence in Africa at one time). Gypsies/Roma people, who may have been German for generations, were not spared. The Nazis also attacked certain religious and political groups and individuals who refused to fit in with their ideology, even if they were otherwise 'good' Germans.

If you are ever in Brno in the Czech Republic I would recommend a visit to the Roma Museusm, which talks about the Roma during the Third Reich. I can also praise an exhibition I once saw at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. The exhibition was about 'medical' experimentation in the Nazi context. Many Germans with disabilities or none at all were damaged or killed as a result of these experiments.

Considering all of this in connection with the extermination of German Jews, you could say that Hitler was indeed waging a war against 'his own' people. He must've got round this problem by defining quite carefully who counted as a 'true' German and who didn't.

How can any authentic `German` have African ancestry?

How long does a person have to live somewhere before their nationality and contribution to society is recognised?

In reality-never. A child born in a stable will never be a donkey, it is a child. The place of residence is irelevant to one`s genetic composition and membership of a folkgroup.

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Originally posted by ugetmi:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Curls:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:
Maybe it's worth stating here that Hitler's attempt at ethnic and ideological cleansing involved people other than Jews.

Germans of African ancestry were targetted (remember that Germany had a colonial presence in Africa at one time). Gypsies/Roma people, who may have been German for generations, were not spared. The Nazis also attacked certain religious and political groups and individuals who refused to fit in with their ideology, even if they were otherwise 'good' Germans.

If you are ever in Brno in the Czech Republic I would recommend a visit to the Roma Museusm, which talks about the Roma during the Third Reich. I can also praise an exhibition I once saw at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. The exhibition was about 'medical' experimentation in the Nazi context. Many Germans with disabilities or none at all were damaged or killed as a result of these experiments.

Considering all of this in connection with the extermination of German Jews, you could say that Hitler was indeed waging a war against 'his own' people. He must've got round this problem by defining quite carefully who counted as a 'true' German and who didn't.

How can any authentic `German` have African ancestry?

How long does a person have to live somewhere before their nationality and contribution to society is recognised?

In reality-never. A child born in a stable will never be a donkey, it is a child. The place of residence is irelevant to one`s genetic composition and membership of a folkgroup.

What have children, stables or donkeys got to do with anything?

If one's place of residence is irrelevant to one's genetic composition, then why do you think that certain people have/had a claim on certain lands due to their so-called 'folkgroup', whatever that means?

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:
Maybe it's worth stating here that Hitler's attempt at ethnic and ideological cleansing involved people other than Jews.

Germans of African ancestry were targetted (remember that Germany had a colonial presence in Africa at one time). Gypsies/Roma people, who may have been German for generations, were not spared. The Nazis also attacked certain religious and political groups and individuals who refused to fit in with their ideology, even if they were otherwise 'good' Germans.

If you are ever in Brno in the Czech Republic I would recommend a visit to the Roma Museusm, which talks about the Roma during the Third Reich. I can also praise an exhibition I once saw at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. The exhibition was about 'medical' experimentation in the Nazi context. Many Germans with disabilities or none at all were damaged or killed as a result of these experiments.

Considering all of this in connection with the extermination of German Jews, you could say that Hitler was indeed waging a war against 'his own' people. He must've got round this problem by defining quite carefully who counted as a 'true' German and who didn't.

How can any authentic `German` have African ancestry?

What exactly is an authentic German?

He who can trace his German ancestry back without significant admixture. A German is by necessity of German descent, belonging to the German folkgroup by blood.

Unfortunately in the light of the human genome project you'll find that your folkgroup blood will be far more mixed than you envisage

Purity is something to make madmen of us all, it doesn't exist except in your mind.

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:
Maybe it's worth stating here that Hitler's attempt at ethnic and ideological cleansing involved people other than Jews.

Germans of African ancestry were targetted (remember that Germany had a colonial presence in Africa at one time). Gypsies/Roma people, who may have been German for generations, were not spared. The Nazis also attacked certain religious and political groups and individuals who refused to fit in with their ideology, even if they were otherwise 'good' Germans.

If you are ever in Brno in the Czech Republic I would recommend a visit to the Roma Museusm, which talks about the Roma during the Third Reich. I can also praise an exhibition I once saw at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. The exhibition was about 'medical' experimentation in the Nazi context. Many Germans with disabilities or none at all were damaged or killed as a result of these experiments.

Considering all of this in connection with the extermination of German Jews, you could say that Hitler was indeed waging a war against 'his own' people. He must've got round this problem by defining quite carefully who counted as a 'true' German and who didn't.

How can any authentic `German` have African ancestry?

What exactly is an authentic German?

He who can trace his German ancestry back without significant admixture. A German is by necessity of German descent, belonging to the German folkgroup by blood.

Unfortunately in the light of the human genome project you'll find that your folkgroup blood will be far more mixed than you envisage

Purity is something to make madmen of us all, it doesn't exist except in your mind.

Are you speaking of yourself? I can with confidence assert that I am of Aryan heritage with no apparent alien admixture. I am aware of my Y Chromosone and mtDNA haplogroups. Are you?

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Deviant_Dread:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:
Maybe it's worth stating here that Hitler's attempt at ethnic and ideological cleansing involved people other than Jews.

Germans of African ancestry were targetted (remember that Germany had a colonial presence in Africa at one time). Gypsies/Roma people, who may have been German for generations, were not spared. The Nazis also attacked certain religious and political groups and individuals who refused to fit in with their ideology, even if they were otherwise 'good' Germans.

If you are ever in Brno in the Czech Republic I would recommend a visit to the Roma Museusm, which talks about the Roma during the Third Reich. I can also praise an exhibition I once saw at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. The exhibition was about 'medical' experimentation in the Nazi context. Many Germans with disabilities or none at all were damaged or killed as a result of these experiments.

Considering all of this in connection with the extermination of German Jews, you could say that Hitler was indeed waging a war against 'his own' people. He must've got round this problem by defining quite carefully who counted as a 'true' German and who didn't.

How can any authentic `German` have African ancestry?

What exactly is an authentic German?

He who can trace his German ancestry back without significant admixture. A German is by necessity of German descent, belonging to the German folkgroup by blood.

Unfortunately in the light of the human genome project you'll find that your folkgroup blood will be far more mixed than you envisage

Purity is something to make madmen of us all, it doesn't exist except in your mind.

Are you speaking of yourself? I can with confidence assert that I am of Aryan heritage with no apparent alien admixture. I am aware of my Y Chromosone and mtDNA haplogroups. Are you?

I was speaking in general about your folkygroup, your makeup doesn't concern me neither does your so called confidence in your Aryan background, you've already shown quite plainly that you're a somewhat untrustworthy individual, so you'll excuse me if I take what you say on this subject with pinch of salt.

re your 'are you' comment, what's none of your business.

Untrustworthy`? You do not know me but full of misguided prejudice you pronounce judgement upon me and make ad hominem attacks without the slightest justification.
The truth of the matter is that I represent something that you appear to be envious of.
It speaks more of a lack within you than me.

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Originally posted by Stormer88:
You talk about `defunct and discredited movements`. I wonder how you reconcile this statement with the failed social experiment of the multiracial society?

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:
You talk about `defunct and discredited movements`. I wonder how you reconcile this statement with the failed social experiment of the multiracial society?

I know it's fashionable to talk about the failure of multiculturalism these days, but it seems vastly overstated to me. The vast majority of people, whoever they are, are just getting on with their lives as law abiding members of society. It seems to me that the problems we face are more to do with the changes happening in our post-modern world generally, rather than anything specifically to do with British multiculturalism.

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Originally posted by Stormer88:
I wonder how you reconcile this statement with the failed social experiment of the multiracial society?

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Originally posted by Stormer88:


In reality-never. A child born in a stable will never be a donkey, it is a child. The place of residence is irelevant to one`s genetic composition and membership of a folkgroup.

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Originally posted by Curls:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:


In reality-never. A child born in a stable will never be a donkey, it is a child. The place of residence is irelevant to one`s genetic composition and membership of a folkgroup.

Well it's a shame that you feel that way, or perhaps not really a shame.
If a person is born in the UK, raised in the UK, contributes positively socially and also economically then whats the problem? Their contribution doesn't necessarily mean they are attempting to change their genetic inheritance..which is really out of all of our control.

Folkgroup? Don't you mean indigenous Britons? The indigenous population of Britain changed from AD 43 onwards during the Roman invasion. Unless you're simply referring to Briton = White it's been a long long time since this country had much to do with the indigenous Britons.

Comparing people to animals is a bit disturbing.

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Originally posted by Asarualim:

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Originally posted by Stormer88:
I wonder how you reconcile this statement with the failed social experiment of the multiracial society?

I wonder how you reconcile your belief you're of pure aryan stock when the human race originated in africa and spread out from there.

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What a joke, LoL! Big Grin You talk about `defunct and discredited movements`. I wonder how you reconcile this statement with the failed social experiment of the multiracial society?

I don't need to reconcile anyting because they were both flawed, however one was an unmitigated disaster causing pain, suffering and millions of lost lives, the other being MC is not really in the same arena is it?
Therefore unlike you I don't use one monstrous failure to pour scorn on another minor one.

Thanks for the reply it was as ever desperately funny, the way you flit from navel staring Aryan philosopher to brain dead moron is quite funny and sad in equal measure.

Which probably explains why the poster aka Stormer88 is fast becoming a bit of a joke, you'd be better of doing what I asked you to do a while back.