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Originally posted by Jim of the south:
I would like to think people are employed on merit - not on colour.

I'd like to think that too, but thats not the sort of society we live in..is it.

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Originally posted by choppy:
Do I detect 'Lord' Jah protest too much?

Normally, I & I will ignore comments like yours above, as I treat the views of those who support the institutionalise racism campaign against Jah kids with comtempt after a roger cook style expose of post.

But because I am determine to expose you and your ilks already on this thread despite, your kind running to the moderators to delete my FACTUAL posts.

Now, I don't want to repeat the views I expressed to a certain person on here, as you already read those factual views before this person's backers on here deleted his majesty's post.

So, to cut a lomg story short, the ball is in your court, so its now up too you to prove to the board that what l have said on this thread is not true.

Please, if you are gonna do this, best come with factual arguements based on facts, not spouting the usual BNP/SS old bill police officer/ type baseless rubbish about BLack people not being good enough, as its total number 2 product.

Also, say what you really think and don't start speaking indirectly, as l will be force to tell the board what you actually mean, thereby, forcing you to do the only thing you can do to avoid facing up to the ugly truth. I think you know that will be the yellow triangle.

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:

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Originally posted by Jim of the south:

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:

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Originally posted by Jim of the south:

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:

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Originally posted by Jim of the south:
I would like to think people are employed on merit - not on colour.

Me too. But are you saying that there are few black actors with any merit?

Maybe that's the case. But it's a situation that can be remedied, if there's a will to do so. And if there are black actors with merit who are being passed over for other reasons, that definately needs to be tackled, don't you think?

I don't see a problem here, unless you fear that equality for black actors somehow means black actors taking over and ruining things for everyone else. Why should you think that? That's bizarre.

If they are good enough they will get the job. Simple.

So you've got lots of faith in the TV companies, and media organisations. That's good. But what you're also saying is that black actors are probably rather bad, which is why there are few of them on the screen. It's an interesting assumption to make.

Maybe it would be good for us to start referencing articles and websites on this issue. I should think quite a lot of research has gone into it.

I did not say that so please dont put words in my mouth.

You don't have to speak in riddles, you know! We're all anonymous, so you might as well say what you mean! Why do you think there are relatively few black faces on our screens? You must have some thoughts about that.

I've been looking at some websites, and quite a few people do actually think there are some issues around this whole thing. It's not something that only Shaunly has been reflecting on.

There are issues but surely that varies from region to region - hence i would like to think people get their jobs on merit.. Are we discussing media television such as news or entertainment television such as 'Dramas'?

By that i mean that i would argue that London area TV is well represented in terms of black and asian TV figures. There is also the issue of proportionality on TV aswell do we make it a blanket representation of the whole country or do we do it on a regional basis. As i have pointed out im Irish and as quite a significent minority in this country i feel that i am under represented but hey thats life - i would rather see someone get a job based on their skills *not* on their colour or background.

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Originally posted by Jim of the south:
By that i mean that i would argue that London area TV is well represented in terms of black and asian TV figures. There is also the issue of proportionality on TV aswell do we make it a blanket representation of the whole country or do we do it on a regional basis. As i have pointed out im Irish and as quite a significent minority in this country i feel that i am under represented but hey thats life - i would rather see someone get a job based on their skills *not* on their colour or background.

We should try not to repeat ourselves. Noone's said that black people should be stuck on the box just because they're black.

It's interesting you being Irish, because traditionally there have been several commonalities between Irish people and black people. In the UK in the 50s there was a shared experience of discrimination between the Irish and the West Indian immigrants, and there were often friendships between the two groups. I believe the same was true in the early days in the USA with Irish immigrants and African Americans. However, it seems the time came when Irish people were led to believe that such solidarity was no longer going to be beneficial to them, and they chose to cut those ties.

There's a book on the subject of the Irish and race in America. It looks like an interesting read. It's Noel Ignatiev, 'How the Irish Became White'. There's a revew of it here:
www.associatedcontent.com/article/64123/review_how_the_...became_white_by.html

There are also reviews on Amazon.

Re British TV, it should be said that there is not a great deal of difference between the TV programmes shown in the regions and in London. In the vast majority of cases, we all seem to have the same shows. Secondly, even out of the very many dramas based in London, such as Eastenders, there seems to be a relatively low number of non-white characters.

But I don't think it's just a matter of numbers on the screen. It's also about what those actors are doing when they're there. And it's also about the people working behind the screen. Who are they, and how do they represent modern Britain?

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:

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Originally posted by Jim of the south:
By that i mean that i would argue that London area TV is well represented in terms of black and asian TV figures. There is also the issue of proportionality on TV aswell do we make it a blanket representation of the whole country or do we do it on a regional basis. As i have pointed out im Irish and as quite a significent minority in this country i feel that i am under represented but hey thats life - i would rather see someone get a job based on their skills *not* on their colour or background.

We should try not to repeat ourselves. Noone's said that black people should be stuck on the box just because they're black.

It's interesting you being Irish, because traditionally there have been several commonalities between Irish people and black people. In the UK in the 50s there was a shared experience of discrimination between the Irish and the West Indian immigrants, and there were often friendships between the two groups. I believe the same was true in the early days in the USA with Irish immigrants and African Americans. However, it seems the time came when Irish people were led to believe that such solidarity was no longer going to be beneficial to them, and they chose to cut those ties.

There's a book on the subject of the Irish and race in America. It looks like an interesting read. It's Noel Ignatiev, 'How the Irish Became White'. There's a revew of it here:
www.associatedcontent.com/article/64123/review_how_the_...became_white_by.html

There are also reviews on Amazon.

Re British TV, it should be said that there is not a great deal of difference between the TV programmes shown in the regions and in London. In the vast majority of cases, we all seem to have the same shows. Secondly, even out of the very many dramas based in London, such as Eastenders, there seems to be a relatively low number of non-white characters.

But I don't think it's just a matter of numbers on the screen. It's also about what those actors are doing when they're there. And it's also about the people working behind the screen. Who are they, and how do they represent modern Britain?

None of them represent modern britain - the BBC especially is a gentlemans club where its who you know, not what you know that counts.

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:


We should try not to repeat ourselves. Noone's said that black people should be stuck on the box just because they're black.

It's interesting you being Irish, because traditionally there have been several commonalities between Irish people and black people. In the UK in the 50s there was a shared experience of discrimination between the Irish and the West Indian immigrants, and there were often friendships between the two groups. I believe the same was true in the early days in the USA with Irish immigrants and African Americans. However, it seems the time came when Irish people were led to believe that such solidarity was no longer going to be beneficial to them, and they chose to cut those ties.

There's a book on the subject of the Irish and race in America. It looks like an interesting read. It's Noel Ignatiev, 'How the Irish Became White'. There's a revew of it here:
www.associatedcontent.com/article/64123/review_how_the_...became_white_by.html

There are also reviews on Amazon.

Re British TV, it should be said that there is not a great deal of difference between the TV programmes shown in the regions and in London. In the vast majority of cases, we all seem to have the same shows. Secondly, even out of the very many dramas based in London, such as Eastenders, there seems to be a relatively low number of non-white characters.

But I don't think it's just a matter of numbers on the screen. It's also about what those actors are doing when they're there. And it's also about the people working behind the screen. Who are they, and how do they represent modern Britain?

These s never fail to amaze us, do? (although hard as they try, they ain't fooling us)

Once caught out, thinking Black people are their inferior/ or that we are plain stupid, they revert to their usual trick ie revisionist lies and one of our favourite, oh, I'm not a racist, I got Black friends, oh I'm Indian/Irish/Jewish/my grand dad fought in the second WW/ I matched against Aparthied and all the usual patronising rubbish number 2 product they often throw up, once you expose them for what they are. You and I know perfectly well, what the author of this thread was pointing out when they put this topic up. It had nothing to do with simply employing Black people just because they are Black. But as usual, these vile racist s will alway twist the truth, all in a bid to avoid the real issue.

Don't waste your breathe I say, you and I plus any decent White persons on here know the score. Yeah right, next thing we might hear Nick Griffin proclaime that he ain't a racist as he is Irish or of some persecuted stock

Just to illustrate my point about how instutitionalise this racism ideology is deep rooted in our society professional bodies.

A fire department in some part of the country (sorry folks, I got the news paper article at home, can't remember which part of the UK it was again) try to get the CRE off their backs by employing minorities after decades of blatantly refusing too. But as usual, they had to awake the racist hatred in the majority public by twisting the whole point of the excercise of equality in the workplace.

They delibrately put out an advert for a recruitment drive, stating that no white guys should apply. When the CRE NEVER instructed such propaganda lies.

So, basically to cut a long story short, out of the many recruits(the overall majority were still white, nothing wrong with that....however they had 25 vacant openings) they employed only one Black guy and one other minority persons. Then, the other whites who were not employed went to the media and broke the story saying they didn't get the role because Whites were being offered the role.

So, a newspaper decided to investigate and when they did, they found out that its was a charade and force against change agenda that the Fire service department were pursuring.

So, they ask the Fire service head why did he delibrately mislead the public, considering the fact that despite the claim of employing minorities, only two (0ne Black guy and 0ne other minorities were employed, the rest went too whites) minorities were employed and that he was basically using this excercise as lip -service to please the CRE and had no intention of bringing about real change and at the same time, telling the others white recruits that the reasons why they didn't get these jobs was because of these two minorities (remember there was 25 vacant opportunities).

The County Fire Chief response was, we employed the best people. But when the reporter said too him, employing only one black guy in a charade recruitment drive based on drawing minorities into the fire service ain't the best advertisement for real change is it? This guy boldly reply, employing on Black guy and a minority woman from an ethinic background, basically mean we have now filled in the equality creteria and that's fine.

I heard this idiot repeat this nonsense on BBC radio5 live.

But the truth is, the fire chief was being honest on how instutitionalise racism worked in various fields in the UK.

Basically, they will only employ one Black person in a workforce of thousands and too them, that's equality and a diverse work force enough, any of you Blacks think of applying for jobs at this company is wasting your time as we have already employed our one token Black to tick the equality box and that's one Black too many for us. So regardless of how intelligent you are as a Black man and Woman, we got no openings for you here, we already told you, our one Black policy role at our company is already filled in.

This people, is the mentality in the media and various other jobs field across the UK. Hence the protest and racist opposition to real equality from many bigots on here and society to this very issue we discussing here.

One Black on TV is enough but we can have many other monorities as we always felt the are our proxy armies and besides, they are not BLack, so they consider them more intelligents that you darkies

The problem is that the word 'diversity' is so discredited and very few people genuinely understand what it means. Does anybody really take 'diversity' training seriously?
In my humble opinion, diversity policies are just a smokescreen; for companies to get away without employing black and Asian people by boasting about their diversity training policies. It is lip service to equality, but that is all. Justice takes longer to enforce.

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Originally posted by LA the son of JAH:

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:


We should try not to repeat ourselves. Noone's said that black people should be stuck on the box just because they're black.

It's interesting you being Irish, because traditionally there have been several commonalities between Irish people and black people. In the UK in the 50s there was a shared experience of discrimination between the Irish and the West Indian immigrants, and there were often friendships between the two groups. I believe the same was true in the early days in the USA with Irish immigrants and African Americans. However, it seems the time came when Irish people were led to believe that such solidarity was no longer going to be beneficial to them, and they chose to cut those ties.

There's a book on the subject of the Irish and race in America. It looks like an interesting read. It's Noel Ignatiev, 'How the Irish Became White'. There's a revew of it here:
www.associatedcontent.com/article/64123/review_how_the_...became_white_by.html

There are also reviews on Amazon.

Re British TV, it should be said that there is not a great deal of difference between the TV programmes shown in the regions and in London. In the vast majority of cases, we all seem to have the same shows. Secondly, even out of the very many dramas based in London, such as Eastenders, there seems to be a relatively low number of non-white characters.

But I don't think it's just a matter of numbers on the screen. It's also about what those actors are doing when they're there. And it's also about the people working behind the screen. Who are they, and how do they represent modern Britain?

These s never fail to amaze us, do? (although hard as they try, they ain't fooling us)

Once caught out, thinking Black people are their inferior/ or that we are plain stupid, they revert to their usual trick ie revisionist lies and one of our favourite, oh, I'm not a racist, I got Black friends, oh I'm Indian/Irish/Jewish/my grand dad fought in the second WW/ I matched against Aparthied and all the usual patronising rubbish number 2 product they often throw up, once you expose them for what they are. You and I know perfectly well, what the author of this thread was pointing out when they put this topic up. It had nothing to do with simply employing Black people just because they are Black. But as usual, these vile racist s will alway twist the truth, all in a bid to avoid the real issue.

Don't waste your breathe I say, you and I plus any decent White persons on here know the score. Yeah right, next thing we might hear Nick Griffin proclaime that he ain't a racist as he is Irish or of some persecuted stock

Are you trying to say the Irish werent persecuted?? We werent called the 'blacks of Europe' for nothing you ignorant cretin!
And what about the signs ''no blacks, no dogs, no irish''?? Or were those just figments of my parents imagination??

You actually disgust me with your double standards! Oh and that ''anyone who doesnt agree with me is a racist'' tripe doesnt wash with me any more - I have lost what little respect i had for you.


I have heard some ballacks from you but that really takes the biscuit!

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Originally posted by Bobby S.:
The problem is that the word 'diversity' is so discredited and very few people genuinely understand what it means. Does anybody really take 'diversity' training seriously?
In my humble opinion, diversity policies are just a smokescreen; for companies to get away without employing black and Asian people by boasting about their diversity training policies. It is lip service to equality, but that is all. Justice takes longer to enforce.

Thank you my dear old chappy.

This is the bloody point I have being making on heres for donkey years and even onmy deleted early posts on this very thread.

But as usual, the ignorant, racist deep rooted in their DNA bigots will not see this. Instead, they rang and rave about how equality laws are working fine for Black people or how the Macpherson report made the vile killer/bent coppers unable to do their jobs.

I know a brother who does a job that involve doing the rounds at many corporate companies in the UK, telling them about the benefis of employing educated qualified professional Black/mixed -race people.

He says, the response of these corporate bosses, old and young is one of '' we are not interested'' or they usually use their favourite trick, '' we already employed our Black receptionist , so we got Black people here already'' or they either point to the other minorities they employed (well they rather prefer to employ than Blacks) in good positions (which any qualify Black can do, but are not given the chance) and refer to these non-Black minority person as Black people when the truth is, they are NOT Black.

Me brethren said too me, sometimes when he leave these meetings, he feel sick to his stomach as he knows these people control the job markets and they will never allow Black people in.

I wanted to talk too him further about the sad state of affairs in the city, he just looked me in the eyes and said, l rather not as the people l held meetings with in the city are the most racist of them all.

He didn't need to elaborate more, l knew the score as l have done bits and bobs in the city and l know too well the kind of bigoted vile s that work there...........although they are quick to take foreign companies to court, claiming racial discrimination against homegrown whites, but have not problem keeping out their fellow home grown blacks with their racist recruitment agenda, but are quick to cry foul when the boot is on the other foot


One thing is sure though, Jah kids ain't going to run and die or know our place, as long as Jah continue to give us strength, wisdom and intellect, we will ALWAYS prevail in our various professional fields as these s worst fear is an intelligent, articulate and educated Black people who are equal too them...if not better than them in the corporate world of work. But because of the racist structure we have, Jah kids are force to work a billion times harder than a white or non-black person to succeed in the work place, remain in their jobs and fight to gain promotion in their work, even though they deserve it on their own hard work and merit but its often denied them all because of racism.

Be a man and have the balls to respond to my post.

The FTSE 100 companies have only 2.5% of their board of directors as ethnic minorities. Of this 2.5% how many are black British?
Zero percent!
Equality?

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Originally posted by Jim of the south:

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Originally posted by LA the son of JAH:

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Originally posted by Miss Dee:


We should try not to repeat ourselves. Noone's said that black people should be stuck on the box just because they're black.

It's interesting you being Irish, because traditionally there have been several commonalities between Irish people and black people. In the UK in the 50s there was a shared experience of discrimination between the Irish and the West Indian immigrants, and there were often friendships between the two groups. I believe the same was true in the early days in the USA with Irish immigrants and African Americans. However, it seems the time came when Irish people were led to believe that such solidarity was no longer going to be beneficial to them, and they chose to cut those ties.

There's a book on the subject of the Irish and race in America. It looks like an interesting read. It's Noel Ignatiev, 'How the Irish Became White'. There's a revew of it here:
www.associatedcontent.com/article/64123/review_how_the_...became_white_by.html

There are also reviews on Amazon.

Re British TV, it should be said that there is not a great deal of difference between the TV programmes shown in the regions and in London. In the vast majority of cases, we all seem to have the same shows. Secondly, even out of the very many dramas based in London, such as Eastenders, there seems to be a relatively low number of non-white characters.

But I don't think it's just a matter of numbers on the screen. It's also about what those actors are doing when they're there. And it's also about the people working behind the screen. Who are they, and how do they represent modern Britain?

These s never fail to amaze us, do? (although hard as they try, they ain't fooling us)

Once caught out, thinking Black people are their inferior/ or that we are plain stupid, they revert to their usual trick ie revisionist lies and one of our favourite, oh, I'm not a racist, I got Black friends, oh I'm Indian/Irish/Jewish/my grand dad fought in the second WW/ I matched against Aparthied and all the usual patronising rubbish number 2 product they often throw up, once you expose them for what they are. You and I know perfectly well, what the author of this thread was pointing out when they put this topic up. It had nothing to do with simply employing Black people just because they are Black. But as usual, these vile racist s will alway twist the truth, all in a bid to avoid the real issue.

Don't waste your breathe I say, you and I plus any decent White persons on here know the score. Yeah right, next thing we might hear Nick Griffin proclaime that he ain't a racist as he is Irish or of some persecuted stock

Are you trying to say the Irish werent persecuted?? We werent called the 'blacks of Europe' for nothing you ignorant cretin!
And what about the signs ''no blacks, no dogs, no irish''?? Or were those just figments of my parents imagination??

You actually disgust me with your double standards! Oh and that ''anyone who doesnt agree with me is a racist'' tripe doesnt wash with me any more - I have lost what little respect i had for you.


I have heard some ballacks from you but that really takes the biscuit!

You think you are clever aren't you?

You think that by calling me cretin, you expect to get a response from me, so your supporters in powers on here, who you reported me too and got my valid posts on this thread removed, will then suspend my account or worst, ban me?

By, you are not as clever or even bright enough to spar with me.

As for your flimsy claims of his majesty being a cretin and ignorant, all l can say is, its takes one to know one and I am not one of your buddies. So you stay THERE and be still, for all enemies of Jah kids like you will NEVER win! Keep faking your anger at my valid views expressed, but you are not fooling me, cause l know your kind too well.

What respect?

No, you actually NEVER had no respect for me, not now or even in the past.

You only sang my praises when my valid oppositional views on muslim extremists and all other undesirables was right up your street.

However, when l now voice those same views against you, because of your ignorant,blatant racist number 2 product views you spouted on this thread, you suddenly get upset and show your true colours (and to think the likes of you consider yourself tolerant in the first place, while defending the murderous actions of those gestapo killers in uniform aka bent/killer coppers ).

The thing about fake ''Clare Short'' type narrow-minded so called I'm not a racist I'm Irish type, is that I know your sort too well and one will NEVER be taken in by you.

Despite the years we both been on here together, you Jimmy of ......... brigade, still do not understand that Lord Atiladhun stand for the truth, stand for what's right and do not hold any loyalty to fakes on here, apart from a loyalty to humanity not based on racial/religeous agenda and that as long as what one is stating is true, I WILL SAY IT, regardless of who I upset and that include BLACK(weak, bending backward brainwashed jermaine lindsey/derek laude posters on here).

You wanna know why?

Well it because I am a LION and you alongside all the other distrators of Jah kids are nothing too me but mere cats before I. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Oh, you are the last person I would take a lesson on Irish history from (despite your claim of being from a Irish background), as from my experience of Irish people and their similar experience with Black people during the dark racist age of the 50's onward, they today will NOT utter the kind of vile racist apologist views that you (Jimmy the foot soldier of.....you know who you rep for) have spouted on this thread.

So, if you are REALLY Irish as you claim, then, you MUST have NOT listened to the experiences Black & Irish people went through in the dark days of NAKED RACISM in post war Britain.

Instead, like your kind always do, once beaten down with the facts, you used the real painful experiences of non-racist Irish folks from back in the days, to now justify your bigotry by claiming you are Irish, when the BLOODY truth is, NO DECENT NON-RACIST Irish person, knowing what they went through in the 50's onwards with BLack people, will EVER Utter nor support the narrow-minded rubbish you spout so far on this thread.

So, to draw things to a close, you are a beaten man as far as factual view expressed on this thread.

You cannot win this debate by default mate, so the only way you can defeat me on this thread, is too fire off a quick email to your friends on here or visit the yellow triangle in order to get my posts removed/get me banned, as any rational non bigoted persons reading this now, can easily tell that his lordship have truely wipe the floor with you.

So, what is it going too be, battle on with your weak revisionist lies of an argument? or rethink what you said, accept you are wrong and listened to Black posters who know what they are talking about? or continue with the short trip to your backers office on here?

The choice is yours, I can't be defeated on this one as my factual views is too scary for you and I will continue to crush you with the truth, until your friends step in to save you from further humiliation.



Mofaya!

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Originally posted by Jim of the south:
Be a man and have the balls to respond to my post.

I am more than a man, I am the son of Jah, Lord Atiladhun the lion. I fear no one and NEVER hide from a good debate and will battle any poster, provided they warrant my precious attention.

sO, if you look up, you will see that I have indeed replyed to your earlier post.

Mofaya!

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Originally posted by Bobby S.:
The FTSE 100 companies have only 2.5% of their board of directors as ethnic minorities. Of this 2.5% how many are black British?
Zero percent!
Equality?

The answer is NONE!!!!!

ZZZZZZZZZ

Biggest load of ranting self seluded cr*p i have ever seen

Lion cub more like.

None of my views are racist otherwise they would have been removed.

I suggest it is you who is the racist and has the problem.

How dare you even question my nationality!

How about i make the case that you arent even black but a bored school child???

It is obvious from that psot that you know nothing about the Irish nor their history.
Your a joke. A sad pathetic joke of a person.

Your ''factual'' views are far too easily beaten.

Now do yourself a favour and Foxtrot Oscar.

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Originally posted by LA the son of JAH:

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Originally posted by Jim of the south:
Be a man and have the balls to respond to my post.

I am more than a man, I am the son of Jah, Lord Atiladhun the lion. I fear no one and NEVER hide from a good debate and will battle any poster, provided they warrant my precious attention.

sO, if you look up, you will see that I have indeed replyed to your earlier post.

Mofaya!

Jah had an off day when he created you atilla.

You know very well i wont back down from you nor will i shy away from your posts.

Speaking of which what were you saying about all Police Officers being fair game for being killed....

Yes you are such a lovely person.

Mong.