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Originally posted by Thewitchisback:

That is an interesting percentage you have come up with about 1 in 3 people being fat. If this is true, and you provide no evidence to show that it is, then (pardon the pun) I would imagine the fat percentage of the population is approaching critical mass. There is the pink (Gay) pound and the grey (Senior Citizen) vote (these sectors have to be taken into account by governments when making policies). It sounds like the "fat" vote will need to be taken into consideration too. If a third of your electorate is overweight, you don't want to p*ss them off!

FFRO - FAT FOLK RULE, OK!

No worries about a law being passed to tax the fatties then. The fatties would just vote out of power ANY political party that tried to bring such a law in.

And seeing how many tubbies there are sitting in Parliament, what are the chances of any political party taking a "tax the fat" suggestion seriously.

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Originally posted by Angelus the Vampire:

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Originally posted by Thewitchisback:

That is an interesting percentage you have come up with about 1 in 3 people being fat. If this is true, and you provide no evidence to show that it is, then (pardon the pun) I would imagine the fat percentage of the population is approaching critical mass. There is the pink (Gay) pound and the grey (Senior Citizen) vote (these sectors have to be taken into account by governments when making policies). It sounds like the "fat" vote will need to be taken into consideration too. If a third of your electorate is overweight, you don't want to p*ss them off!

FFRO - FAT FOLK RULE, OK!

No worries about a law being passed to tax the fatties then. The fatties would just vote out of power ANY political party that tried to bring such a law in.

And seeing how many tubbies there are sitting in Parliament, what are the chances of any political party taking a "tax the fat" suggestion seriously.

I can think of 3 straight off = Charles Clarke, John Prescott, and Nicholas Soames (I think his girlfriend said it was like getting jumped on by a wardrobe!)

Mind you, that might have been his style rather than his substance!

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Originally posted by Thewitchisback:

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Originally posted by Angelus the Vampire:

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Originally posted by Thewitchisback:

That is an interesting percentage you have come up with about 1 in 3 people being fat. If this is true, and you provide no evidence to show that it is, then (pardon the pun) I would imagine the fat percentage of the population is approaching critical mass. There is the pink (Gay) pound and the grey (Senior Citizen) vote (these sectors have to be taken into account by governments when making policies). It sounds like the "fat" vote will need to be taken into consideration too. If a third of your electorate is overweight, you don't want to p*ss them off!

FFRO - FAT FOLK RULE, OK!

No worries about a law being passed to tax the fatties then. The fatties would just vote out of power ANY political party that tried to bring such a law in.

And seeing how many tubbies there are sitting in Parliament, what are the chances of any political party taking a "tax the fat" suggestion seriously.

I can think of 3 straight off = Charles Clarke, John Prescott, and Nicholas Soames (I think his girlfriend said it was like getting jumped on by a wardrobe!)

and probably preferable to being tickled by a matchstick!

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Originally posted by Thewitchisback:

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Originally posted by Thewitchisback:

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Originally posted by Angelus the Vampire:

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Originally posted by Thewitchisback:

That is an interesting percentage you have come up with about 1 in 3 people being fat. If this is true, and you provide no evidence to show that it is, then (pardon the pun) I would imagine the fat percentage of the population is approaching critical mass. There is the pink (Gay) pound and the grey (Senior Citizen) vote (these sectors have to be taken into account by governments when making policies). It sounds like the "fat" vote will need to be taken into consideration too. If a third of your electorate is overweight, you don't want to p*ss them off!

FFRO - FAT FOLK RULE, OK!

No worries about a law being passed to tax the fatties then. The fatties would just vote out of power ANY political party that tried to bring such a law in.

And seeing how many tubbies there are sitting in Parliament, what are the chances of any political party taking a "tax the fat" suggestion seriously.

I can think of 3 straight off = Charles Clarke, John Prescott, and Nicholas Soames (I think his girlfriend said it was like getting jumped on by a wardrobe!)

and probably preferable to being tickled by a matchstick!

A bloke that goes down the gym several times a week and works out, might be good eye candy, and a trophy to walk down the street with. But what woman is going to be able to get comfortable snuggling up to a 6 pack to watch a romantic movie?? And once you get into the bedroom, surely it`s got to feel as if you`re constantly being smacked by a brick wall?

I've got a question, how come I go on a plane and have a few extra pounds of weight in my luggage. I have to pay more money to take the few extra bits on board!!!!.
I see a guy behind me who looked 25 stone approx and he doesnt need to pay a single penny for himself!!!
Where is the sense there????
Maybe if I had worn all my extra clothes then I may not have got charged!?!?!?

That's a silly question.

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I've got a question, how come I go on a plane and have a few extra pounds of weight in my luggage. I have to pay more money to take the few extra bits on board!!!!.
I see a guy behind me who looked 25 stone approx and he doesnt need to pay a single penny for himself!!!
Where is the sense there????
Maybe if I had worn all my extra clothes then I may not have got charged!?!?!?

Be thankful you weren't sitting next to a screaming kid for the whole flight! No doubt that guy had to pay exactly the same as you did any extra luggage he was taking on board too.

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A bloke that goes down the gym several times a week and works out, might be good eye candy, and a trophy to walk down the street with. But what woman is going to be able to get comfortable snuggling up to a 6 pack to watch a romantic movie?? And once you get into the bedroom, surely it`s got to feel as if you`re constantly being smacked by a brick wall?

LOL!!! Romantic movies don't come into it when you date a bodybuilder ! You spend all your time becoming a nutritional expert, rubbing in artificial tan, putting up with mood swings brought on by 'roids, listening to enless blather about who has better delts / pecs / quads than who and what music to use for the show. Now I have me a chubby chappie I'm a much happier bunny.

it is too complicated to get fatty foods taxed, but would it not be too complicated to get fat people taxed. who is going to be responsible in checking these peoples bmi's. it should not be down to the medical profession. how are you going to get people to turn up to something that will take money off them. i think this is unlikely.
also should you not increase the tax on other at risk people that are costing the health profession, what about people who enjoy dangerous sports, what about people who ride motorbikes. once you start such a president with the morals in this programme there would be no end to the protests and legal loop holes.

I work my arse off 6 days a week in my building company i still find time to weight train and eat healthy.I think fat tax will not work but fat people should stop and think about this problem. My mate who is over weight hates the fact that people from other countrys waste our money getting handouts yet when ask about the problem with overweight and illness and the money spent on that he says thats different.
he says that it is there own body and they can be fat if they want.
So all you fat people who think that wasting my tax money on their health care is ok
then tell me why should i pay more tax for working my arse off to have a better life for me and my kids.I pay more tax for trying hard fat people pay no tax for stuffing their mouths.

Q: waht did the fat person say whilst stuffing a cream cake in their mouth.

A:i don't no why i am fat i never eat a thing

First of all, Yes I know that there are some people who genuinely have problems with their weight. And I no way want to discriminate against those people. But as a whole, I do strongly believe that the majority of overweight people who can actually do something about it. I know a LOT of 'large' people and I know, as well as they do, that they do not have self control when it comes to food. I also believe that in 'fat' families, a lot of the time people cannot blame 'big bones.' They have probably been bought up eating badly and got fat. Its hard to shift fat once its there and once youre in a habit of eating badly its not easy to stop. As my Grandad used to say, "You never saw a fat person during the war what with all the rationing......." It does not cost more to eat a healthier diet. You may have to spend a little more time shopping and a little more time cooking it, but money is no excuse. At the end of the day, if fatness is increasing in the UK and its costing us more and more each year, we have to ask ourselves WHY? And what we can do not only to lose weight as a nation, but also how to PREVENT it. But for a lot of people I truly beleive its a case of EATING LESS AND MOVING MORE!!!

K you fascists... lets get something straight, this is a society and that means that we do things together or not at all. It is not up to pressure groups to designate individual concerns that only certain members of society must deal with. For those of you who haven’t grasped this I would say you are stupid and by your own argument would ask why we wasted tax money on the education of the stupid. I refer particularly to the person who suggested a card to be carried by fat people, you might as well have said Jews.
Bottom line here is that we are in a democracy and people can live as they choose sure they should try to live healthily but if they choose not to your whining about it just shouldn't matter. Also there is a certain type of person all to ready to find fault in the way others live without evaluating themselves. Sure you feel strong on this issue but do you drink? Smoke? are you gay? or do you like pornography? We all have vices of one kind or another the point of society is that as long as we do not directly harm others we are free to pursue happiness.... seriously beware when you start to condemn because no one is always on the winning side.

anyway if you care here's what I thought about the documentary... without using swear words!



This programme was infuriating in the extreme. A supposedly objective study with all the weight of a food critic, a single nurse and a Tory MP condemning those who dare to bulge from the cookie cutter standards of the bottom line orientated big brother society. Firstly I would like to point out that Coren seems to have scuppered his own argument by pointing out that two thirds of the country is over weight if Britain is still a democracy this would seem to be a convincing argument that it is also a fat persons country and that the majority would be uninterested in an extremist and poorly thought out attack on the personal freedoms which apparently most of us take for granted. Coren bleats on about the Billion Pounds that fat people cost the NHS without questioning how the same organization could waste twenty Billion on a still non functioning computer system or looking into how efficiently funds are actually used. We are simply meant to wowed by the numbers, I believe Mark Twain might call this one step beyond a damn lie. Since Coren does not seem to flinch at the overly emotive argument then let me ask if the bombs dropped in Iraq and Afghanistan might have paid for the shortfall in the NHS after all two thirds of this money was taken from “fat” members of society (note that this personal responsibility was not apparent then, 70% of Britain did not back the war but everyone paid for it no one put forward the idea of a pro war tax!). Not only that but something that no one seems to accept is that sooner or later all people die and for the most part it is a slow and costly process. Healthy living people do not just evaporate into gossamer and tofu at some pre-ordained time I for one would like to know how much spending elderly people cause… Perhaps Coren will be on next week backing euthanasia? Also it seems that the intrusiveness into my life is only one way, since I neither drink or smoke am I entitled to a tax rebate? Since my weight might fluctuate during the year will there be constant measurement or can I go on a crash diet then eat unhealthily for the rest of the year. Not only would this be bad for your body but how could the system be realistically managed and paid for?
The program really did come across as one mans bigoted opinions, particularly since he seemed to make no real attempt to understand this growing problem and was dismissive of overweight people who might have offered insight. The fact that he tried to make an argument that fat people are worse drivers was farcical as the same argument about weight could be applied to having passengers or even using your car to transport heavy loads. The problem of an efficient breaking distance is surely one for motor engineers since it would hardly be acceptable if a skinny person moving a mattress killed a child. People use their cars to move various loads and the attempt to make fat people seem to be more dangerous was no less offensive than if he had made a racist slur. Am I more dangerous in a car because I am taller and therefore heavier? Possibly, should all cars be driven by jockeys? Also he seemed quite prepared to skirt the issues around whether the body mass index is a fair way of judging health. Muscle mass throws the system out completely, I for instance would fit into the overweight to obese category. I can also bench 150 kg do 40 pushups without breaking a sweet and while I would admit to being overweight would stringently deny that I am a extreme health risk. This attack on our freedoms would not be out of place from a gym teacher lecturing his less promising students, but that is exactly the point, I am not child who asks for his approval, two thirds of this country contribute their overweight money expecting to be treated as citizens not naughty children. If you wanted to take this thinking to the extreme, the most efficient hospitals would be empty, granted the management probably wouldn’t notice and would no doubt give themselves a raise based on smooth operations and low cost but how can two thirds of the people be said to be stealing unfairly from the state, in a democracy the people are the state, are we stealing from ourselves?

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should you not increase the tax on other at risk people that are costing the health profession, what about people who enjoy dangerous sports, what about people who ride motorbikes.

Because as we all know motorbikes cause the majority of accidents on our roads.

Idiot!!!

But what about fat people on motorbikes? They would use more fuel and cause higher emmissions. Fat people on motorbikes are killing our planet.

" Fat people on motorbikes are killing our planet." and the green goblin is poisoning the water. Really you reactionary rube now fat is responsible for environmental decline what's next did they kill Jesus? Maybe I could point out that fat people are better insolated and therefore use less energy for heating but that would be sinking to your illogical level. We should not have to justify who we are or how we live our lives least of all to your sort. By the way tall people are also heavier if we malnourish our children they will be under grown and save the environment more stress. In case you didn’t notice there are all sorts of body shapes that weigh different amounts, the issue you raise is not one of health. Women weigh less than men are you suggesting a return to single celled reproduction? Essentially what comes across from everyone in favor of this sort of discrimination is a sanctimonious judgementalism. Fat people will never be able to defend themselves from you since you will accuse all their arguments of being the result of a weakness in character. The great thing is that as long as we live in a democracy they do not have to justify themselves to you.

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So all you fat people who think that wasting my tax money on their health care is ok
then tell me why should i pay more tax for working my arse off to have a better life for me and my kids.I pay more tax for trying hard fat people pay no tax for stuffing their mouths.

as has already been pointed out they do pay tax.... given their numbers more than you, unless you can prove that there will be no costs and complications when you get sick or die I'd be careful makeing this argument. It's not about fat or thin but rather about wherether we should help our neighbours. We spend money on wars, unnessisary public works and necular programms but this is what worries you? Once again let he who is without fault cast the first stone. PS I don not have kids nor do I have any intention of having kids why should I pay for your brats?

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PS I don not have kids nor do I have any intention of having kids why should I pay for your brats?

Partially because (a) you were a child once, and someone else paid for you, and (b) his children might grow up to be the doctor who saves your life. Without investment in today's children we won't have any educated adults tomorrow.

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The great thing is that as long as we live in a democracy they do not have to justify themselves to you.

I think you have a gross misconception as to what living in a democracy actually means. To take your arguement to an extreme, you are basically saying it would be ok for me to take your car from you as I don't have to justify myself to you because we live in a democracy.

The obese are responsible for large cut of my tax bill, and I don't think they should be entitled to it at all because they are 100% responsible for their physical state. Because they are responsible for their physical state, I believe they should be responsible for their related health bills.

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Bottom line here is that we are in a democracy and people can live as they choose

Again, I must point out that living in a democracy does not give anyone the right to live as they please. Would it be legal for me to squat in a house I didn't own?

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We all have vices of one kind or another the point of society is that as long as we do not directly harm others we are free to pursue happiness

But that's just it. Obesity directly harms me because I'm the one picking up the bill for their health troubles. I pay their benefits because they are too fat to work. Why is that fair ?

"But that's just it. Obesity directly harms me because I'm the one picking up the bill for their health troubles. I pay their benefits because they are too fat to work. Why is that fair ?" You are not directly harmed unless you consider contributing to you society harm, why is it fair? Because they pick up any extra debt you incur as an individual in society, if we all had to break down how much we take out of the system how well would we come out? Once we had eradicated one "overspend" who would be next? Not only would this seem to defeat the point of a socialist system but it defeats the point of being an individual. Also since you are slow on the uptake I'll reiterate that I said no one should directly harm another.... stealing your car or home would obviously not qualify but your right to think as you want, behave differently and indeed eat differently are fundamental to a working democracy. We have laws that exist to deal with theft and other crimes, the question that is being asked is whether new laws are required and the one I am asking inparicular is whether the new laws you propose might not infringe on the basic freedoms that make any law and society it's self worth while. Could you guys please cut the BS about being hard working stiffs who are robbed by wicked fatties. As someone else put it, you do in fact live in a socialist system, you seem to want the benefits without the pay off. I am fully behind encouraging your fellow citizens to live healthily but if they say no and you persist in coming the raw prawn you have crossed the line from concerned member of society to Fascist. By the way the fact that I was a child and paid for has no bearing firstly I was one child many people choose to have considerably more than that, why should I pay for their excessive choices.... you know where this is going: should there be a restriction on kids or a child tax. Over breeding is the same exact thing as over eating and probably is worse for our planet and society. Not only that but by your argument if I had fat parents or family it would surely be right for me to pay for other fat people as someone paid for them... The issue is whether we have the resourses for the modern problem not weather fat people own some debt intrinsically for their weight. As for the "the child might be a doctor" argument this is the most fallacious bit of nonsense you could have chosen, it's they same one they use against abortion. Sure the child might grow up to be a doctor or a rapist... we can't know so is it at all relevant?

(hmm respose didn't seem to get posted sorry if this is a repeat)It's fair, because they pick up any extra debt you incur as an individual in society, if we all had to break down how much we take out of the system how well would any of us come out? Not only would that seem to defeat the point of a socialist system but it defeats the point of being an individual if you can't make individual choices. Also since you are slow on the uptake I'll reiterate that I said no one should directly harm another.... stealing your car or home would obviously not qualify but your right to think as you want, behave differently and indeed eat differently are fundamental to a working democracy. We have laws that exist to deal with theft and other crimes the question that is being asked is whether new laws are required and the question I am asking inparicular is whether these new laws might not infringe on the basic freedoms that make having any law and society it's self worth while. Could you guys please cut the BS about being hard working stiffs who are robbed by wicked fatties. As someone else put it, you do in fact live in a socialist system, you seem to want the benefits without the pay off. I am fully behind encouraging your fellow citizens to live healthily but if they say no and you persist in coming the raw prawn you have crossed the line from concerned member of society to Fascist. By the way the fact that I was a child and paid for has no bearing firstly I was one child many people choose to have considerably more than that why should I pay for their excessive choices.... you know where this is going: should there be a restriction on kids or a child tax. Over breeding is the same exact thing as over eating and probably is worse for our planet and society. Not only that but by your argument if I had fat parents or family it would surely be right for me to pay for other fat people as someone paid for them... The issue is whether we have the resourses for the modern problem not weather fat people owe some debt intrinsically for their weight. As for the he might be a doctor argument this is the most fallacious bit of nonsense you could have chosen, it's they same one they use against abortion. Sure the child might grow up to be a doctor or a rapist... we can't know so is it at all relevant?