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K my repply had a trigger word in it so you might have to wait to hear it to sum up though cos you really need to get me straight here I said:
1)I am not suporting any behaviour outside the laws as they stand and am questiong this proposition of tax the fat because it would be a new law and in my opionion an indefensably intrusive 1
2) over breeding is the same as over eating and has worse results
3) a child might indeed grow up to be a doctor or a rapist whats your point?
4) fat people do pay tax along with the rest of us ( as I have already said no one says only war mongerers should pay for bombs. Or only women should pay for cirvical cancer. Of course not because we are a society ie we support each other. You may not be fat but how are you different... how would you feel if someone singled you out for it... better go or I'll use another bad word)
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aaarg I'm sure there was no trigger word in that... Look just be good to each other and stop being so judgemental K? K
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One thing I did want to add... sorry to be going on but it would be far more reasonable to charge people with wieght related health problems who repeatedly need medical assistance and who refuse to lose wieght. At this point you are dealing with someone who is not helping us help them and they should not be indefinitely subsidised. However how can it make sense to penalise all people of a certain body mass index irrespective of their actual health and burden or lack there of on the system. The BMI is completly flawed as it only caters to certain body types (many profesional athletes come out as obese) why should relitavly health people who have cost the state nothing and who pay their taxes pay for the few who do not cooperate in their treatment any more than anyone else? The issue is health and resourses not how you look in a speedo... I hope
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COULDN'T have put it better myself.
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i think fat people should pay for there lazy greedy bad habbits, i was once over weight and used every excuse in the book but at the end of the day it was because i stuffed my face and lazed about. Eventually i woke up and got a life in 3 months i lost 4 and a half stone im really fit i can now road run 14 miles i train 4 to 5 times a week and for the first time ever i feel alive and full of energy its brill, i wonder why i used to live like i did,fat people look like crap and i know the rubbish you eat makes you feel like crap also get it sorted or pay for you life style why should i pay for you lazing about and stuffing yourself get some respect i did and life is so great
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quote: Posted 10-11-06 13:53 Hide Post
i think fat people should pay for there lazy greedy bad habbits, i was once over weight and used every excuse in the book but at the end of the day it was because i stuffed my face and lazed about. Eventually i woke up and got a life in 3 months i lost 4 and a half stone im really fit i can now road run 14 miles i train 4 to 5 times a week and for the first time ever i feel alive and full of energy its brill, i wonder why i used to live like i did,fat people look like crap and i know the rubbish you eat makes you feel like crap also get it sorted or pay for you life style why should i pay for you lazing about and stuffing yourself get some respect i did and life is so great
eeek a born again, well apparently the thin person in you struggling to get out spent most of it's time down south, cos you're full of it. The issue is not what you personally think of fat people (though your attitude does sound fairly hypocritical) it's about peoples right to live as they wish. If you were lazy and greedy and had bad habits then that’s your problem please do not presume to speak for everybody else as many people have pointed out we are different and have different reasons for being over weight AND AS I KEEP POINTING OUT NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO APPOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR HOW THEY LIVE. There is no one out there pure enough to be as vitriolic as the pro fat tax people here seem to be, are you claiming that your were greedy and now you're not just because you're thin? Greed has nothing to do with being fat, being fat could only ever be a symptom of being greedy not the other way around. Seriously well done for loosing the weight and getting healthy I hope you are happy but you have no right to judge people you don't even know or their circumstances.... hell I suppose you do have the right but what is you're opinion worth is it just renders down to bile? To sum up if you don't like fat people that's one thing but if you are seriously claiming that they are the sole cause of mismanagement in the NHS or that they are anywhere near the top 100 issues this government need to deal with then I for one think you are wrong. Just a tip from me you don't want to get into this fight in the first place fat people have the weight advantage  |
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quote: Originally posted by strawberries:
i think fat people should pay for there lazy greedy bad habbits, i was once over weight and used every excuse in the book but at the end of the day it was because i stuffed my face and lazed about. Eventually i woke up and got a life in 3 months i lost 4 and a half stone im really fit i can now road run 14 miles i train 4 to 5 times a week and for the first time ever i feel alive and full of energy its brill, i wonder why i used to live like i did,fat people look like crap and i know the rubbish you eat makes you feel like crap also get it sorted or pay for you life style why should i pay for you lazing about and stuffing yourself get some respect i did and life is so great
All this roadrunning - I hope you're not going to expect the NHS to pick up the bill for your joint damage a few years down the line. |
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quote: Originally posted by ol' toby: quote: Posted 10-11-06 13:53 Hide Post
i think fat people should pay for there lazy greedy bad habbits, i was once over weight and used every excuse in the book but at the end of the day it was because i stuffed my face and lazed about. Eventually i woke up and got a life in 3 months i lost 4 and a half stone im really fit i can now road run 14 miles i train 4 to 5 times a week and for the first time ever i feel alive and full of energy its brill, i wonder why i used to live like i did,fat people look like crap and i know the rubbish you eat makes you feel like crap also get it sorted or pay for you life style why should i pay for you lazing about and stuffing yourself get some respect i did and life is so great
eeek a born again, well apparently the thin person in you struggling to get out spent most of it's time down south, cos you're full of it. The issue is not what you personally think of fat people (though your attitude does sound fairly hypocritical) it's about peoples right to live as they wish. If you were lazy and greedy and had bad habits then that’s your problem please do not presume to speak for everybody else as many people have pointed out we are different and have different reasons for being over weight AND AS I KEEP POINTING OUT NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO APPOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR HOW THEY LIVE. There is no one out there pure enough to be as vitriolic as the pro fat tax people here seem to be, are you claiming that your were greedy and now you're not just because you're thin? Greed has nothing to do with being fat, being fat could only ever be a symptom of being greedy not the other way around. Seriously well done for loosing the weight and getting healthy I hope you are happy but you have no right to judge people you don't even know or their circumstances.... hell I suppose you do have the right but what is you're opinion worth is it just renders down to bile? To sum up if you don't like fat people that's one thing but if you are seriously claiming that they are the sole cause of mismanagement in the NHS or that they are anywhere near the top 100 issues this government need to deal with then I for one think you are wrong. Just a tip from me you don't want to get into this fight in the first place fat people have the weight advantage
yes i get what you are saying and im proberly hard on the fatties cous it reminds me of how i was and it really is crap, everything is hard and a strain if only fat people could feel how it is to be fit and it is in a lot of cases over eating that makes you fat but i also have to say you have to work very hard to use all that stored fat and a lot of overweight people have little understanding of this mabey educating us all would be good |
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quote: Originally posted by strawberries: quote: Originally posted by ol' toby: quote: Posted 10-11-06 13:53 Hide Post
i think fat people should pay for there lazy greedy bad habbits, i was once over weight and used every excuse in the book but at the end of the day it was because i stuffed my face and lazed about. Eventually i woke up and got a life in 3 months i lost 4 and a half stone im really fit i can now road run 14 miles i train 4 to 5 times a week and for the first time ever i feel alive and full of energy its brill, i wonder why i used to live like i did,fat people look like crap and i know the rubbish you eat makes you feel like crap also get it sorted or pay for you life style why should i pay for you lazing about and stuffing yourself get some respect i did and life is so great
eeek a born again, well apparently the thin person in you struggling to get out spent most of it's time down south, cos you're full of it. The issue is not what you personally think of fat people (though your attitude does sound fairly hypocritical) it's about peoples right to live as they wish. If you were lazy and greedy and had bad habits then that’s your problem please do not presume to speak for everybody else as many people have pointed out we are different and have different reasons for being over weight AND AS I KEEP POINTING OUT NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO APPOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR HOW THEY LIVE. There is no one out there pure enough to be as vitriolic as the pro fat tax people here seem to be, are you claiming that your were greedy and now you're not just because you're thin? Greed has nothing to do with being fat, being fat could only ever be a symptom of being greedy not the other way around. Seriously well done for loosing the weight and getting healthy I hope you are happy but you have no right to judge people you don't even know or their circumstances.... hell I suppose you do have the right but what is you're opinion worth is it just renders down to bile? To sum up if you don't like fat people that's one thing but if you are seriously claiming that they are the sole cause of mismanagement in the NHS or that they are anywhere near the top 100 issues this government need to deal with then I for one think you are wrong. Just a tip from me you don't want to get into this fight in the first place fat people have the weight advantage
yes i get what you are saying and im proberly hard on the fatties cous it reminds me of how i was and it really is crap, everything is hard and a strain if only fat people could feel how it is to be fit and it is in a lot of cases over eating that makes you fat but i also have to say you have to work very hard to use all that stored fat and a lot of overweight people have little understanding of this mabey educating us all would be good
have you tried taking up discus throwing or the shot-putt or hauling trucks with your teeth in your new svelte shape? |
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quote: Originally posted by Thewitchisback: quote: Originally posted by strawberries:
i think fat people should pay for there lazy greedy bad habbits, i was once over weight and used every excuse in the book but at the end of the day it was because i stuffed my face and lazed about. Eventually i woke up and got a life in 3 months i lost 4 and a half stone im really fit i can now road run 14 miles i train 4 to 5 times a week and for the first time ever i feel alive and full of energy its brill, i wonder why i used to live like i did,fat people look like crap and i know the rubbish you eat makes you feel like crap also get it sorted or pay for you life style why should i pay for you lazing about and stuffing yourself get some respect i did and life is so great
All this roadrunning - I hope you're not going to expect the NHS to pick up the bill for your joint damage a few years down the line.
i pay enough people should be held accountable for the abuse smokers and drinkers have to pay it makes me mad to see a 40 stone man who hasnt got out of bed in 8 years and who is living of taxes we pay but i also feel sorry him for what a life he is welcome to it me i have private health care i dont need to worrie its all good here? |
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quote: everything is hard and a strain if only fat people could feel how it is to be fit and it is in a lot of cases over eating that makes you fat but i also have to say you have to work very hard to use all that stored fat and a lot of overweight people have little understanding of this mabey educating us all would be good
Right you are and if you don't mind me saying this is a much better attitude. There is clearly a problem with weight gain which needs to be addressed but we can only offer a better understanding and then leave the individual to decide how they want to live. As some one who understands the problem you are well positioned to offer advice and encouragement to others but you will lose peoples attention if they feel that you are attacking them or their life style (some of this ranting just makes me want to find the biggest burger in town!). There are many issues tied into the taxing of the fat: 1) has everything that can reasonably be done been done to find a financial solution (is the NHS efficient) 2) where does my freedom end and my responsibility to society begin, and we should be careful here because after fat what's next? Restrictions on one mean restrictions on all. State controlled breeding, the elimination of down syndrome children or any number of draconian measures flow from this argument 3) don't tell me to stop buying bonbon's before the government will stop buying bombs... is no one more worried that we spend so much on destroying lives and make so many excuses about saving them? 4) most fat people do want to lose weight, you've been there and indeed you did it again well done but there are many trapped in a cycle that they find hard to break and the last thing they need is condemnation instead of encouragement. Do we care about people or our taxes? If any of you answered taxes who were you calling greedy? |
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quote: Originally posted by strawberries: quote: Originally posted by Thewitchisback: quote: Originally posted by strawberries:
i think fat people should pay for there lazy greedy bad habbits, i was once over weight and used every excuse in the book but at the end of the day it was because i stuffed my face and lazed about. Eventually i woke up and got a life in 3 months i lost 4 and a half stone im really fit i can now road run 14 miles i train 4 to 5 times a week and for the first time ever i feel alive and full of energy its brill, i wonder why i used to live like i did,fat people look like crap and i know the rubbish you eat makes you feel like crap also get it sorted or pay for you life style why should i pay for you lazing about and stuffing yourself get some respect i did and life is so great
All this roadrunning - I hope you're not going to expect the NHS to pick up the bill for your joint damage a few years down the line.
i pay enough people should be held accountable for the abuse smokers and drinkers have to pay it makes me mad to see a 40 stone man who hasnt got out of bed in 8 years and who is living of taxes we pay but i also feel sorry him for what a life he is welcome to it me i have private health care i dont need to worrie its all good here?
It sounds like your gripe is actually with people who don't pay taxes. There's a lot of really fat Managing Directors and Presidents of companies about (you know the type, won't walk if they can travel in luxury). I'm sure they pay lots of taxes and contribute to the healthcare of unemployed skinny folks. |
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quote: Originally posted by Thewitchisback: quote: Originally posted by strawberries: quote: Originally posted by ol' toby: quote: Posted 10-11-06 13:53 Hide Post
i think fat people should pay for there lazy greedy bad habbits, i was once over weight and used every excuse in the book but at the end of the day it was because i stuffed my face and lazed about. Eventually i woke up and got a life in 3 months i lost 4 and a half stone im really fit i can now road run 14 miles i train 4 to 5 times a week and for the first time ever i feel alive and full of energy its brill, i wonder why i used to live like i did,fat people look like crap and i know the rubbish you eat makes you feel like crap also get it sorted or pay for you life style why should i pay for you lazing about and stuffing yourself get some respect i did and life is so great
eeek a born again, well apparently the thin person in you struggling to get out spent most of it's time down south, cos you're full of it. The issue is not what you personally think of fat people (though your attitude does sound fairly hypocritical) it's about peoples right to live as they wish. If you were lazy and greedy and had bad habits then that’s your problem please do not presume to speak for everybody else as many people have pointed out we are different and have different reasons for being over weight AND AS I KEEP POINTING OUT NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO APPOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR HOW THEY LIVE. There is no one out there pure enough to be as vitriolic as the pro fat tax people here seem to be, are you claiming that your were greedy and now you're not just because you're thin? Greed has nothing to do with being fat, being fat could only ever be a symptom of being greedy not the other way around. Seriously well done for loosing the weight and getting healthy I hope you are happy but you have no right to judge people you don't even know or their circumstances.... hell I suppose you do have the right but what is you're opinion worth is it just renders down to bile? To sum up if you don't like fat people that's one thing but if you are seriously claiming that they are the sole cause of mismanagement in the NHS or that they are anywhere near the top 100 issues this government need to deal with then I for one think you are wrong. Just a tip from me you don't want to get into this fight in the first place fat people have the weight advantage
yes i get what you are saying and im proberly hard on the fatties cous it reminds me of how i was and it really is crap, everything is hard and a strain if only fat people could feel how it is to be fit and it is in a lot of cases over eating that makes you fat but i also have to say you have to work very hard to use all that stored fat and a lot of overweight people have little understanding of this mabey educating us all would be good
have you tried taking up discus throwing or the shot-putt or hauling trucks with your teeth in your new svelte shape?
yeah sounds like fun? you have to much time on your hands sat on your computor are you stuck in bed through overeating also oh never mind, as for me i have better things to be doing rather than sitting here im off for a run and then to the gym to lift some weights, the real overweight people i respect is those i see at the gym they get it, you need to spend more time with people rather than sat on your bottom in front of a computor screen buy |
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quote: Originally posted by strawberries: quote: Originally posted by Thewitchisback: quote: Originally posted by strawberries: quote: Originally posted by ol' toby: quote: Posted 10-11-06 13:53 Hide Post
i think fat people should pay for there lazy greedy bad habbits, i was once over weight and used every excuse in the book but at the end of the day it was because i stuffed my face and lazed about. Eventually i woke up and got a life in 3 months i lost 4 and a half stone im really fit i can now road run 14 miles i train 4 to 5 times a week and for the first time ever i feel alive and full of energy its brill, i wonder why i used to live like i did,fat people look like crap and i know the rubbish you eat makes you feel like crap also get it sorted or pay for you life style why should i pay for you lazing about and stuffing yourself get some respect i did and life is so great
eeek a born again, well apparently the thin person in you struggling to get out spent most of it's time down south, cos you're full of it. The issue is not what you personally think of fat people (though your attitude does sound fairly hypocritical) it's about peoples right to live as they wish. If you were lazy and greedy and had bad habits then that’s your problem please do not presume to speak for everybody else as many people have pointed out we are different and have different reasons for being over weight AND AS I KEEP POINTING OUT NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO APPOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR HOW THEY LIVE. There is no one out there pure enough to be as vitriolic as the pro fat tax people here seem to be, are you claiming that your were greedy and now you're not just because you're thin? Greed has nothing to do with being fat, being fat could only ever be a symptom of being greedy not the other way around. Seriously well done for loosing the weight and getting healthy I hope you are happy but you have no right to judge people you don't even know or their circumstances.... hell I suppose you do have the right but what is you're opinion worth is it just renders down to bile? To sum up if you don't like fat people that's one thing but if you are seriously claiming that they are the sole cause of mismanagement in the NHS or that they are anywhere near the top 100 issues this government need to deal with then I for one think you are wrong. Just a tip from me you don't want to get into this fight in the first place fat people have the weight advantage
yes i get what you are saying and im proberly hard on the fatties cous it reminds me of how i was and it really is crap, everything is hard and a strain if only fat people could feel how it is to be fit and it is in a lot of cases over eating that makes you fat but i also have to say you have to work very hard to use all that stored fat and a lot of overweight people have little understanding of this mabey educating us all would be good
have you tried taking up discus throwing or the shot-putt or hauling trucks with your teeth in your new svelte shape?
yeah sounds like fun? you have to much time on your hands sat on your computor are you stuck in bed through overeating also oh never mind, as for me i have better things to be doing rather than sitting here im off for a run and then to the gym to lift some weights, the real overweight people i respect is those i see at the gym they get it, you need to spend more time with people rather than sat on your bottom in front of a computor screen buy
yes, dear, and you'd be better enrolling somewhere for some grammar lessons, rather than trotting about the roads.  |
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quote: Originally posted by ol' toby:
[QUOTE]everything is hard and a strain if only fat people could feel how it is to be fit and it is in a lot of cases over eating that makes you fat but i also have to say you have to work very hard to use all that stored fat and a lot of overweight people have little understanding of this mabey educating us all would be good[/QUOTE
i do not want to come across as attacking anybody i do want to make my views clear and your right i do know what it is like to be overweight and i would love to help overweight people yo get on the right road but they also need to help themselves also and i know it is hard but is your health and life the most important thing more important than that burger etc, and you are right the goverment shouldnt be wasting our taxes on bombs buts thats another issue if it was up to me like your own view use that money here with all these problems
Right you are and if you don't mind me saying this is a much better attitude. There is clearly a problem with weight gain which needs to be addressed but we can only offer a better understanding and then leave the individual to decide how they want to live. As some one who understands the problem you are well positioned to offer advice and encouragement to others but you will lose peoples attention if they feel that you are attacking them or their life style (some of this ranting just makes me want to find the biggest burger in town!). There are many issues tied into the taxing of the fat: 1) has everything that can reasonably be done been done to find a financial solution (is the NHS efficient)
2) where does my freedom end and my responsibility to society begin, and we should be careful here because after fat what's next? Restrictions on one mean restrictions on all. State controlled breeding, the elimination of down syndrome children or any number of draconian measures flow from this argument
3) don't tell me to stop buying bonbon's before the government will stop buying bombs... is no one more worried that we spend so much on destroying lives and make so many excuses about saving them?
4) most fat people do want to lose weight, you've been there and indeed you did it again well done but there are many trapped in a cycle that they find hard to break and the last thing they need is condemnation instead of encouragement. Do we care about people or our taxes? If any of you answered taxes who were you calling greedy?
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quote: but is your health and life the most important thing more important than that burger etc,
Ah, but that's just it even if I would agree with you that there are more important things in life than food, it is not up to me to legislate that other people are forced to agree. Adults have the right to decide what they value in life... Had it occured to anyone that (and correct me if I'm wrong in England but it's true in America) the government does not tax relegious organistaions despite the costs they impose on society. They don't tax them I think at least partially because they recognise that people must be allowed their beleifs. If people could all just give up this religion thing then many of the worlds conflicts could be avoided. We don't ask them to give up religion despite the huge costs to society because we know it's not our place to do so. Thus society bears the brunt of these costs in the name of freedom. A fat person should be encouraged to loose weight but if they ultimately decide that they enjoy their life more as they are who are we to judge? AND PLEASE DON'T START ON BAOUT THE MONEY AGAIN IT'S WASTED BY ALMOST EVERY BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE A DIFERENCE THEN WE SHOULD ALL ASK FOR MORE GOVERNMENT ACOUNTABILITY ON HOW OUR MONEY IS SPENT RATHER THAN MAKEING SCAPE GOATS OUT OF A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE, MANY OF WHOM WILL NOT NEED STATE HEALTH CARE AND MY HAVE LESS COMPLICATIONS THAT PEOPLE WITH A PERFECT BMI. FAT PEOPLE HAVE AN INCRESED RISK OF BEING SICK BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE THEM SICK APRIORI. |
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