I just saw on another thread someone say "wonder if the C4 Forum net-nazis will remove this post?", which is odd considering C4 seem to be allowing so many people to use this forum freely to air their grievences. I understand that a lot of people might be upset if they feel thet were misinformed or even duped but still.

If Sky has a contract that says they get to decide whether to make More4 free or part of a subscriptions service then I hope the people posting here are off complaining in Sky's forums as well. Do they have any?

Tthe people who may have some justification complaining about More are often showing themselves to be such abusive and petty I am losing any sympathy me and my excellent freeview reception might have had

Anyway, hello to all the newbies that are arriving in the forum and I hope many of you stay and use the forum for actual discussions as well.

Oh, and the best forum is the Homes forum, so if you live in a house drop in there too, it's the reason I still use these forums after so long excellent forum for tips and advice.

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums?a=corfrm&cf=6026044741

Yes, it was a bit rude of certain people, but then again, the C4 management laid themselves wide open to it by not explaining why the channel was encrypted. Maybe they felt a wee bit embarrassed at admitting that they had signed a contract that gives Sky so much power. Let's hope that they don't extend the contract beyond 2008, and they can be free of Sky forever.

It is the height of rudeness on behalf of Channel 4 to:

1. Lie / Mislead the British public.
2. To not admit to a mistake.
3. To then try and censure and delete criticism of said mistake.

I will take lessons on "decent behaviour" when C4's management has the dignity to treat its customers in a way that I/we would choose to treat customers and run my own businesses.

Like mushrooms, we are fed on dung and kept in the dark.

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I understand that a lot of people might be upset.

Now is the Winters of our discontent

Good to see somebody attempting to stand up for Channel 4 on this forum, but:

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If Sky has a contract that says they get to decide whether to make More4 free or part of a subscriptions service then I hope the people posting here are off complaining in Sky's forums as well.

This remains a moot point, since Channel 4 has made no statement in respect of this.

Also, the main point of contention is not the fact that More4 is encrypted, but that Channel 4 promoted it as being free-to-air on digital satellite and continued to do so even after it became clear that this would not be the case.

Irrespective of who has the power to decide on matters of channel availability on each platform, the issue is one that should have been discussed at the channel's inception. It is inconceivable that Channel 4 should only become aware that More4 was to be part of a subscription package on Sky on the Friday (ie one working day) before launch. If, however, this is the case, then somebody at Channel 4 has blundered monumentally.

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Tthe people who may have some justification complaining about More are often showing themselves to be such abusive and petty I am losing any sympathy me and my excellent freeview reception might have had

That's as may be, but much the initial annoyance of many of those complaining about what they consider to have been deception on the part of Channel 4 have had their annoyance compounded by the company's refusal to issue any statement on the issue, or even to enter in any discussion, be it through this forum or elsewhere.

Add to this the fact that early threads of complaint posted on Monday were removed by the forum editor, who also retrospectively edited his/her own posts when it was pointed out that he/she was continuing to publish misleading information regarding channel availability, and you have the perfect recipe for a baying mob.

As for concerns about losing sympathy, your attitude seems to be very much "I'm all right Jack. Up yours!" Your Freeview reception may be excellent, but 25% of the country is still unable to receive it.

In short, while I am of course grateful for your kind offer of lessons on "how to use a forum", perhaps you might do better to direct your pedagogical aspirations to the editor of this forum, who seems to have become somewhat elusive on this issue.

An interesting and well written response Elmer, I hope you continue on in the forums even after the current situation that brings you here has faded away.

As to directing my pedagogical aspirations at the editor, they don't take part in the discussions. They buuld these things and then leave us to it, only swooping in to clear out any mess as required, I do not think anyone at C4 sees the forums as a method of contacting C4, it's a user-user type thing. Contact methods are listed on the page linked to below.

The reason I am posting is not to support C4 really, I just spend so much time on these forums that I want to make sure C4 don't see them as a problem or 'issue' that needs resolving. It is good that we are provided these places to talk about them, critically or otherwise.

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As to directing my pedagogical aspirations at the editor, they don't take part in the discussions.

Perhaps this should form the basis of lesson one then, since the editor of this forum was quick enough to "clarify" availability information in response to early complaints.

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it's a user-user type thing.

It's a user-user type thang, surely?

I really can't fault you on 'patronising', but your grasp of yoof patois could be better.

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Originally posted by Winters:
I just saw on another thread someone say "wonder if the C4 Forum net-nazis will remove this post?", which is odd considering C4 seem to be allowing so many people to use this forum freely to air their grievences. I understand that a lot of people might be upset if they feel thet were misinformed or even duped but still.

If Sky has a contract that says they get to decide whether to make More4 free or part of a subscriptions service then I hope the people posting here are off complaining in Sky's forums as well. Do they have any?

Tthe people who may have some justification complaining about More are often showing themselves to be such abusive and petty I am losing any sympathy me and my excellent freeview reception might have had

Anyway, hello to all the newbies that are arriving in the forum and I hope many of you stay and use the forum for actual discussions as well.

I was told over the phone two times that it would be free on sat by channel4 info staff
what have sky got to do with that. Are sky in charge of channel4 staff if as you believe this was a contract issue well then channel4 info staff had no right to tell me as the clearly did
that it was to be free on sat

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Originally posted by drumoyneguy:

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Originally posted by Winters:
I just saw on another thread someone say "wonder if the C4 Forum net-nazis will remove this post?", which is odd considering C4 seem to be allowing so many people to use this forum freely to air their grievences. I understand that a lot of people might be upset if they feel thet were misinformed or even duped but still.

If Sky has a contract that says they get to decide whether to make More4 free or part of a subscriptions service then I hope the people posting here are off complaining in Sky's forums as well. Do they have any?

Tthe people who may have some justification complaining about More are often showing themselves to be such abusive and petty I am losing any sympathy me and my excellent freeview reception might have had

Anyway, hello to all the newbies that are arriving in the forum and I hope many of you stay and use the forum for actual discussions as well.

I was told over the phone two times that it would be free on sat by channel4 info staff
what have sky got to do with that. Are sky in charge of channel4 staff if as you believe this was a contract issue well then channel4 info staff had no right to tell me as the clearly did
that it was to be free on sat

I'm not denying there has been a major f-up somewhere, I am just tired of the whines on this forum which the people you want to whine to do not read.

I'm not denying there has been a major f-up somewhere, I am just tired of the whines on this forum which the people you want to whine to do not read.[/QUOTE]

please believe me nothing would make me more happy than not have to whine but thats all i have got and please channel 4 do not read ya,
i would rather have had a reply to my e-mail for one, even some note on channel 4 that they got it wrong but no that would take a adult channel to do that

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Originally posted by Winters:

I'm not denying there has been a major f-up somewhere, I am just tired of the whines on this forum which the people you want to whine to do not read.

With the greatest respect - once you had stuck up for the forums with your first post you should have withdrawn gracefully from this thread. You have your More4 reception which you smugly announced to everyone from the outset.

By posting their "whines", the people who are most disappointed about being misled are gathering information from posters in a similar position and are, therefore, in a better position to address the people who matter.

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Originally posted by bayman:

With the greatest respect - once you had stuck up for the forums with your first post you should have withdrawn gracefully from this thread. You have your More4 reception which you smugly announced to everyone from the outset.

By posting their "whines", the people who are most disappointed about being misled are gathering information from posters in a similar position and are, therefore, in a better position to address the people who matter.

well said, i am here more to look for any info rather than keep repeating my post. by going to a number of forums i have seen posts giving me advice on how to take my concerns futher plus seen reply's from e-mails sent by other viewers.
And just in case its not understood i think the fact that channel 4 have taken both E4 and more 4 on to freeview is great and those viewers who are able to get that service enjoy. But i am not as lucky i am in a blackspot even though its a area that gets freeview i am not a killjoy
but believe a media group like channel 4 should
be able to give viewers the right service information and if like now as i believe they did not then they should have to take the heat for it