I can't see a reply to my post, Malkie (maybe I just can't see it in the bitty one above). Does that mean that you actually have nothing to say about my philanthropy?

I've got a theory about Malkie. I think he got sat on as a youngster by some rather robust person, and he's been frightened of fat folk ever since. He feels it's his role in life now to stomp on them, the best he can, whenever he finds one!

Have a nice day, Malkie. I'm off to enjoy the sunshine...

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I've dedicated my life to making people feel better, live longer and do more

Who asked and who cares?

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I'm tired of your constant misrepresentation of what I've posted.

I did read what you posted. Here it is:

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If the health issues were due to them being overweight at some point in their life then they need to be held accountable for it.

I did ask you to explain to me why my interpretation wasn't perfectly accurate and looking at your pathetic excuse for a reply (so pathetic that you only chose to answer half of each question!) It's clear you can't. It seems you've been taking debating tips from MartinGbuk. You're a beaten man; basing your argument on an embarassingly submental approach to social medicine.

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If the health issues were due to them being overweight at some point in their life then they need to be held accountable for it.

As being overweight can be down to illness or as a side effect of medication, what you're saying is that these poor people should be held accountable for developing an illness that has contributed at one time to them being overweight?

ok, cant be bothered to read all the posts in this thread but i'll post my tuppence (for what its worth).
As a student nurse i have treated many patients who have arguably 'caused themselves to be ill' and i am telling you that if we go down the route of taxing the obese then we should do the same to everyone else too.
I have a collegue who thinks that fat people should have to pay for their treatment and this causes many arguments as i say that if we start doing that we may as well end the NHS right now. The majority of people with serious head injuries are young men who have been involved in some sort fight or car crash so shall we make them pay for their very expensive treatment which has ongoing needs and far reaching beyond the intensive care bed they occupy for 4 months?
There are many examples of people whose lifestyles are contributing to their illness but i feel health promotion is key...tell them they'll have a stroke if they continue to abuse their bodies; not a desirable outcome for anyone.

I think Gobraves' post might have a way of coming eerily true. We are already stigmatising smokers (should they have healthcare), the overweight (never mind what's causing it, should they have healthcare), next it will be people who drink (they don't deserve healthcare either). Then we could tax people who take part in extreme sports (costing taxpayers money just to have some fun and excitement and the odd broken limb or, even, back or skull), people who don't look properly crossing the road, drivers who doze off at the wheel, women who fall pregnant accidentally, doctors and nurses who fall ill through working long hours, when actually, with their training, they should know better than to work them. The list just goes on and on.... Soon, we'll have an NHS with no waiting lists, but no patients either, as they'll all have disqualified themselves from care due to their own careless actions or lifestyle!

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We are already stigmatising smokers (should they have healthcare), the overweight (never mind what's causing it, should they have healthcare), next it will be people who drink (they don't deserve healthcare either)

Except that drinkers and smokers are already heavily individually taxed. Why not extend that to the obese? You've just argued yourself into a corner with that comment.

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As being overweight can be down to illness or as a side effect of medication

Completely wrong. Having an illness doesn't make you fat - eating more food than your body needs make you fact.

Medication doesn't make you fat - eating more food than you need while on medication makes you fat.

furthermore Thewitchisback you ignored my question about your personal contributions to society. Got nothing to show for your time?

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Originally posted by malkie:

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We are already stigmatising smokers (should they have healthcare), the overweight (never mind what's causing it, should they have healthcare), next it will be people who drink (they don't deserve healthcare either)

Except that drinkers and smokers are already heavily individually taxed. Why not extend that to the obese? You've just argued yourself into a corner with that comment.

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As being overweight can be down to illness or as a side effect of medication

Completely wrong. Having an illness doesn't make you fat - eating more food than your body needs make you fact.

Medication doesn't make you fat - eating more food than you need while on medication makes you fat.

Malkie, you just have to ask your doctor whether underactive thyroid will cause you to gain weight, or whether certain medications do. He will put you right, sweetheart..

Keeping saying something like only eating more makes you fat doesn't make it any more correct, you know..

Except that drinkers and smokers are already heavily individually taxed. Why not extend that to the obese? You've just argued yourself into a corner with that comment.

Using your own argument against you, Malkie, I don't think so. Just think of all the VAT being paid on all that extra food!

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Originally posted by malkie:
furthermore Thewitchisback you ignored my question about your personal contributions to society. Got nothing to show for your time?

You show me yours, and I'll show you mine.

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Malkie, you just have to ask your doctor whether underactive thyroid will cause you to gain weight, or whether certain medications do. He will put you right, sweetheart..

Keeping saying something like only eating more makes you fat doesn't make it any more correct, you know..

ok, so if the fat you gain doesn't come from what goes into your mouth, then where does it come from?

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Just think of all the VAT being paid on all that extra food!

is absolutely nothing compared to the tax on alcohol and tobacco.

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You show me yours, and I'll show you mine.

I already did in this very thread. That's the second time you've dodged the question, so I won't ask again. I'm just going to assume you've made no contributions.

You can assume what you like, Malkie. Let's put it this way. I pay taxes, but I don't need to work...

Ahh, isn't life beautiful?

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Just think of all the VAT being paid on all that extra food!


is absolutely nothing compared to the tax on alcohol and tobacco.


Depends on how much the person is determined to eat. Mind you, if you're thin, and have to eat lots of food just to keep your weight on, you could end up paying a hell of a lot of tax!

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Originally posted by Thewitchisback:
if you're thin, and have to eat lots of food just to keep your weight on, you could end up paying a hell of a lot of tax!

That's me! I'll be broke as hell.

Good point which perfectly illustrates how dim this whole idea is. The guy on that tv show should be mauled by wild rodents.

Good point which perfectly illustrates how dim this whole idea is.

Thank you for the compliment, A-D...

Ah... Silence...

Great, innit... Fat folk are getting a rest from being lambasted... Maybe the forum can move on to another subject now that's a bit more balanced.

I think Malkie's been ground into the dust! Or maybe he's completely changed his viewpoint. Listened to the voices of wisdom...

Giles Coran is nothing more than an attention seeking,megalomaniac who is suffering from dysmorphophobia.Someone must have told him he was good-looking at some stage and he's hung on to it for dear life. He is feathering his own nest in order to make money. If he wants to pick a topic to become rich and popular, I suggest he campaigns for the elderly who are constantly ignored or the amount of criminals who roam free due to improper sentancing.