Originally posted by oli_uk: Another attempt to try and get people back on the 'believe bush' wagon. It might work in America a bit, but not over here. Still worth watching thou
Surely you can't know that till you see the film. Frankly I'd rather watch this than any Michael Moore codswallop.
Well I'm no fan of Michael Moore particularly, but it amazes me how someone would describe his fact-laden documantaries as 'codswallop', while pressing the case for a fictional Hollywood film. 'I much prefer the cold hard facts of Winnie The Pooh to the makebelieve that Reuters come up with everyday.'
Well this is a man that wishes to cover both Michael Moore and Morgan Sporlack with boiled phaeces, so dont expect too much from AD. It is somewhat disappointing you then go on to watch stuff like this AD. No wonder people have some strange ideas.
Could always 24 too, I hear thats close to real life. I must add, regardless of what you feel happened that day to try watching some of the other footage from that day. Try letsroll911.org for some alternatives. The fact they are making films about it is disgraceful, before many believe they know the truth is unforgivable. This isnt the da vinci code and Hollywood should show a little more respect to us all, especially to those of us no longer here due to this terrible day.
Also some good sites out there from engineers/scholars detailing issues with what was reported that day.
As for seeing this US version of it, I have to say I dont think you could beat the original. :|
Major group in US is called Columbia (part of illumanti. This is assiosiated with Columbia pictures etc. and all the other ones. They will benifit from this film.
Originally posted by brigade claret: Well I'm no fan of Michael Moore particularly, but it amazes me how someone would describe his fact-laden documantaries as 'codswallop'
Showing George Bush looking stupid doesn't take much comic talent. Showing interviews of Britney Spears or clips of naive 18 year old american boys who witnessed 9/11 and decided to do what the thought was 'fighting for their country' in a derogratory light can only be described as pathetic. People have written thesises about why America has such a high gun culture and this man decides to summarize it with a 5 minutes southpark cartoon. Michael Moore's films are one sided propaganda of the worst kind. They are only good for young americans who really have no idea. Anyone who really wants to understand these topics should do the research themselves as opposed to beleiving any of the one sided, opinionated tosh michael moore pours out.
Originally posted by RandomElement: Hollywood should show a little more respect to us all, especially to those of us no longer here due to this terrible day.
I think Michael Moore should have respect for those no longer here rather than making his dumbass films implying america somehow deserved it or had it coming. He SHOULD be pelted with boiled pheaces and worse.
I'm inclined to agree with you A-D. As I said earlier, I'm not too keen on Michael Moore either, for some of the reasons you mention (plus others). However, I think the message that he was trying to get across concerning the troops, was the power that the media can wield over people. The war in Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11, yet the majority of soldiers (85% of the last poll) believe that they are there in direct response to 9/11. Where are they getting this info from? We may dispute MM's topic, style, choice of interviewee's, questionable editing etc, but he does press facts and provoke thought, which is alot more than this film (WTC) will.
Hmmmmmmmm.... I couldn't have summed up my side of this thread better myself,
and for those who mock Micheal Moore, sure he's a bit of a pussy for not going into more depth with 9/11 but what average American wants to sit through a boringly exccedingly long fact ridden doco especially if they are willing to pay to see this world trade center movie! Would he have actually got cinemas to air his film (when it was aired!) if it did go into more detail? or would cinemas have just decided to pull the film instead? Perhaps it may have originally gone into a bit more detail but this stuff was edited out by the editors or the pussy-ass film company? Perhaps Micheal Moore's movie career has been pure stumbled upon luck from the beginning, and yet with the money he has earned he has now decided to use it to invest in his local deprived community. Let's see Oliver Stone or Columbia pictures (or even perhaps the goverment?) do that!
Just been on his website,it's actually pretty good! check it out, if you havn't already. http://www.michaelmoore.com/
he does press facts and provoke thought, which is alot more than this film (WTC) will.
I never implied I only watch films like this. I just said I would rather watch it than watch Michael moore films. Honestly, I would rather watch 'Spiceworld' followed by 'Glitter' and finished off with 'snakes on a plane' than watch one more MM movie.
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The war in Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11, yet the majority of soldiers (85% of the last poll) believe that they are there in direct response to 9/11. Where are they getting this info from?
Thats fair enough. But there are less patronizing, cheap, pathetic and simplistic (and sometimes outright disrespectful to the families of the victims of 9/11 and the families of soldiers) to get his point across.
"Our president bombed another country whose name we couldn't pronounce" Oh bu***r off!
Yeh Im sure its all Michael Moores fan, and not the fact their country is led by a simpleton.
His programs cover many angles, and although sometimes the overall conspiracy might seem a little far fecthed, and sometimes Im sure it is, other times Im sure hes very close or not going far enough. He only briefly touched on the conspiricay that is 911, many more have joined the bandwagon, and many more educated and less easily mocked people (including Americans) have come forward to say something is wrong here, things just dont add up. Id prefer a misguided and sometimes incorrect Michael Moore on tele than most of the mass media one line rubbish that most of us seemed pumped with. But dont get me wrong, I certainly dont think that he arrives with his own agenda, its just I prefer his to most of the others, I believe he does actually want the truth, and that has to be prefarable to the lies that they do try to fob us of with.
To then make a film regarding the 'actual events' could truly be classed as the ultimate in propaganda; as the Da Vinci code proves, many people do believe what they see in films or read in fictional books. The biggest worry is that this hollywood blockbuster succeeds where others have failed, and finally convinces the masses.
