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Originally posted by RandomElement:
Yeh Im sure its all Michael Moores fan, and not the fact their country is led by a simpleton.

no one said it was his fault. And everyone knows their country is run by a simpleton. His method of communication is one sided, pathetic and simplistic and he uses a series of facts to imply that america somehow deserved it or had it coming because osama was trained by the cia. Never mind that he chooses to settle his grudge by flying planes into buildings. Using that angle to get his point across is so pathetic that its offensive.

In another of his dumb ass films, he summarizes the history of american gun culture with a 5 minute southpark cartoon. What about parts of south america and africa with an even higher gun culture? MM is even more of a simpleton than bush and only an imbecile would swallow the kind of garbage he fills his films with.

Talking of South Park, you should try Team America, that sums up MM in very much the same way.

Well step by step AD, lets not rush to conclusions hey, this is what Hollywood is for. Osama was trained by the CIA, the Americans did know things were happening. As fas as I know
the recorded message is bogus and Osama had nothing to do with those planes. One of the main messages is so obviously bogus as to be funny. As said MM didnt even start most of these tales, theres much more doubt out there than from one oversized yankie. But he adds his part too.
Offensive is telling everyone else that they are wrong, have no opinion and should keep their views to themselves.

Just to clarify, he certainly didnt fly the planes himself, and possibly had less involvement in it than Bush. Until Bush was told of course, at which time Osama probably did do more.....

Are we talking of bowling for columbine?? Very good program actually, although he didnt really come to many conclusions as far I remember. There were other countries with as many guns, just seems to be America that is very happy to use them. The comparison between Canada and the US is truly shocking. Also the fact that most of the US has weapon manufacturers within its borders, and these add a lot of power to the lobbyists and general politics.

Again, it seems odd to blame MM, when his programs arent full of total lies, wounldnt it be easier to just open your eyes, and stop kicking the wrong guy.

Bush is evil, and hopefully more and more of the american population will finally catch up and demand that the hand is removed from his a**.

http://www.911truth.org/

Even this country, alot more people are starting too see the truth and you will find alot more people on the net that will agree that 9/11 was done by bush or related to him.

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Originally posted by oli_uk:
I havent watched the Da Vinci code or read the book, whats it ment to be propganding?

Dunno, but if it's from hollywood it will most probably be spinning something!


Back to the WTC film,I wonder how they will explain the eye,ear witness and video accounts of the bombs going off in the towers!
Or account for the 10 or so seconds of the towers collapse,(as most of you guys probably know already) which is pretty close as damn it to freefall in a vacuum,no air resistance no steel frame girders, no 47 rectangular box sections that were 4 inches thick that were the core of the structures.No 110 external framed supports making the lattice effect of the outer frame.
Quite a way to go to convince the public that this was not a controlled demolition spectacular,and therefore an inside job.

shock and awe indeede

Word has it the US administration desperate as they have become lately,are expected to launch
another 9/11 type spectacular in order to blame Iran and justify attacking it,as if things weren't bad enough.

oops soz, didn't notice a second page\0/

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Originally posted by oli_uk:
Even this country, alot more people are starting too see the truth and you will find alot more people on the net that will agree that 9/11 was done by bush or related to him.

Yes and those I see that don't know I soon tell em,and provide links and printouts if they want to look further.
This is such a serious time on this little planet of ours,everyone should be told the truth and wake up.

That's a good site Random one of my favs along with WWW.911blogger.com and physics911.net and maybe this one for newly woken Scholars for Truth

Peace
gb

LOL

Nice point, well made. :|

Such a funny issue too.

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Originally posted by RandomElement:
Nice point, well made. :|

Such a funny issue too.

well done for completely missing such a simple point

Well done for not making one. Ahhh so familiar.

I sometimes get people that say "I need rock-hard evidence to believe you" i reply with "Have you got rock-hard evidence to belive them (bush)".

Makes em stop right in their tracks and think.

Yes Ive experienced the same oli, even to the degree I feel like Im an Islamic terroist for making any point to do with this incident. Which explains why we havent got to the truth yet, and why they got through that day without harsher questions. Its clearly a tricky issue, but people would do well to remember that we arent fighting for the right to park planes in buildings, or even saying Islam has the right to fight. What we are in fact saying is that they may have had nothing to do with it, it could all have been internal, for sure it looks most of it was.

What I generally hear is 'I just cant believe they would do this to their own people'. No me either, its why I looked into it more, and began to ask questions, some things just dont add up. They still dont, and more and more people are stepping forward and saying so, as linked, even scholars and building engineers.

Good to hear that there are like minded people out there that do take note, and wont just let small details escape them.

I would recommend everyone to check out links that have been posted, and actually look at the evidence that has been published before you attack those that have. Its like they have a monopoly of that day, which is disgraceful, they either attacked us all or didnt.Again they happy to use this propaganda to start wars, but no one can question what really happened?? I think not.

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'I just cant believe they would do this to their own people'.

Exactly what my dad says.

Also check out

InfoWars - Well worth checking out

Thx for that link Oli, will have a proper peep.

Dont suppose you saw the tank man program did you?? Great program generally, but of paticular interest was a few multinational (read US) computer groups relationship with China. They actually called up people from Microsoft, Cisco, Google and Yahoo I believe to answer some worrying questions. Basically all these groups are working worldwide as we know, spreading the word of computers. But in China as we know they have very limited human rights, and these companies have to work around this. Well the case in hand was a Chinese resident (dissident) emailing Yahoo ( I believe) over worrys how this technology will be used. Well its part of the deal with the Chinese that they report such communications, and Yahoo seems to have done exactly that. The person who sent the email is currently serving 12 years. The court wanted to know if they thought this was acceptable, and would they have behaved the same with Anne Frank if the Nazis had made requests for such informtion. The scarey thing is, they probably would, afterall we know IBM had its fingers in that pie too.

I cant even say this level of collusion is acceptable, but we all know its possible, but yes 911 is a whole new level of attack.

Soon they will organise a 'terrorist' attack on london and people will be put in 'camps', were you will stay for quite a while, they will probably use a real nuke too make it look as if they arent lying. Martial law will then be implement and life will change alot from how we knew it.

Yes people this is in the UK, the camps are already in place and ready for you. This will only probably affect londoners, im a southerner so hopefully ill be ok

This sounds so unlikely that many will not believe and will be controlled like sheep by the government. If they do this it will show that the government will be prepared to do anything to get what it wants.

They may just put all 'foreigners' in the camp aka muslims. UK is becoming Nazi germany much more quickly than US, our government is just so good at hiding the coming reality of things.

If we're looking at 9/11 stuff:

http://www.loosechange.org/911/

Yes CK that's a fairly good starting point.

Another interesting lecture here regarding the physics of the collapse of the towers on the day that changed the world.

Professor Steven E Jones

Yeah theres like a $1,000,000 prize for the person that can prove Bushes theory correct lol

another round of protective tin-foil hats required in this thread I think.........

Youd need more than a tin foil hat to prove a Bush theory correct. LOL @ you.

Again another top post, really tackles all the problems people have with the official line. :|

Go wind up the fat post again you troll, we can provide the typical sceptics arguement without your assistance.