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"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.."
-- Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Göring
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MartinGBUK You can find out more about the finger scanning, (to be accurate). here http://www.leavethemkidsalone.com/certain schools are using childrens fingerprints to replace dinner money, library cards and I belive also for registration. Whats wrong with a pencil and a bit of paper? |
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I don't have more 4, Strawberries.
Thanks for the link, Riccardo. I have only glanced at it - it's late - and will have a better look tomorrow. Today. But, from what I have seen there, it is very worrying.
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iam so shocked by this fingerprinting kids at school i have not heard about this i have only looked quickly at it but will have a better look later thanks riccardo.I feel so sorry for all the children of today if i had really thought about what i was bringing my children in to could i have spared them by my own needs to have a family? its very sad,mabey we can change the outcome of there future by fighting back but i think the goverment have us as someone said they will make it so hard for us to even access money,buying food anything i can not see how it can be stopped? mabey we could all superglue our prints? i was reading an american sight and most of what i read they seem quite keen on chip implants except a couple one said "over my dead body are they putting a chip or tracking device in me i will live in the ******* woods first" i think i will join him. I think from what ive read here we all feel the same you dont seem as paranoid as me buts thats ok i wish i was not either ignorance could be bliss. sorry for any spelling mistakes again
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what a great program , well done keep up the good work .The bigger picture is now getting the air time its due .We have all been guilty of sleeping throught the implementaion of the law's that have led us towards us becoming a totalitarian state.This country will end up like something out of George Orwell's 1984.They tell us the masses what is best for us and we have just to have blind fath in what they are doing and if you dare to question it then you must be on the bad guys side .We have past the point of takeing sides this is now a personal atack on each and every one of ower Civil Liberties .Now is the time to stand up and be counted it can be stopped. We all just need to use the voice in ower head that we turned off long ago,stand together and tell them enough is enough.we stood up to them on iraq ,let us all take a stand on this issue ,we all can make a diffrence,Let's do it for ower own freedom and if not for us do it for the children..[sorry for going ]
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quote: We have all been guilty of sleeping throught the implementaion of the law's that have led us towards us becoming a totalitarian state.
Yes Buba1 I've been amazed at how little alot of my friends know anbout all this. But once they understand that theres more to the ID card than just a piece of plastic with your photo on. they start to question why does the governmnet need all this info on me? And then the penny drops. I think alot of people would like an ID card in this country in the way we usually think of an ID card a bit of plastic with no strings attached but most people don't want this governmnets idea of an ID card the all singing and dancing one. I can see some good reasons for volentary ID cards. Whilst doing a survey in Glasgow for NO2ID. I came across a homeless person who wanted an ID card for proving who he was as alot of the time officially he didn't even exist. Which made it difficult for him to get shelter or housing. Also several youngsters thought it was a good idea to prove thier age to get into clubs. I of course pointed out that citizen card was by far the cheaper option to use for this. |
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Thanks for the links riccardo i have had my eyes opened even more,iam wondering what can we do to stop this most people i speak to dont see anything wrong and think im being stupid.They really dont see whats going on,so what now can we make a diffrence and if so how? anybody got any ideas
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quote: Originally posted by strawberries:
Thanks for the links riccardo i have had my eyes opened even more,iam wondering what can we do to stop this most people i speak to dont see anything wrong and think im being stupid.They really dont see whats going on,so what now can we make a diffrence and if so how? anybody got any ideas
Most people have become "victims" already, in that they consider resistance to change is futile (Borg mentality  ),even if they saw what was going on it's a nice comfort zone with distractions such as Celebrity feckwits in the jungle/Coronation st/Eastenders/Holby/et al . Even the more discerning viewer has the likes of crime capers with dna profiling or history channels perpetuating myths of war,or science programs now showing the jokey side,and leaving out the facts ala Horizon. What can you do,that is a good question strawberries,well I guess keep plugging away. For instance,I have been talking about the civil liberties erosions for quite a while,sure I was riddiculed (I can take it),but now it's all over the news and can hardly be so easily dismissed as the ramblings of a internet freak. Tell your friends and family,mention it in casual conversation (I know  but there's always an opening to be had) Email news links to your contacts/address book,join a discussion group/web forum.Print out media articles and hand them out. In the end it's down to the one's who know there's something wrong to convince others,the government wont do it,they are the problem. [QUOTE ]Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.."
-- Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Göring[/QUOTE] Cheers VOX
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quote: Originally posted by Greying Blonde: quote: Originally posted by strawberries:
Thanks for the links riccardo i have had my eyes opened even more,iam wondering what can we do to stop this most people i speak to dont see anything wrong and think im being stupid.They really dont see whats going on,so what now can we make a diffrence and if so how? anybody got any ideas
Most people have become "victims" already, in that they consider resistance to change is futile (Borg mentality ),even if they saw what was going on it's a nice comfort zone with distractions such as Celebrity feckwits in the jungle/Coronation st/Eastenders/Holby/et al . Even the more discerning viewer has the likes of crime capers with dna profiling or history channels perpetuating myths of war,or science programs now showing the jokey side,and leaving out the facts ala Horizon. What can you do,that is a good question strawberries,well I guess keep plugging away. For instance,I have been talking about the civil liberties erosions for quite a while,sure I was riddiculed (I can take it),but now it's all over the news and can hardly be so easily dismissed as the ramblings of a internet freak. Tell your friends and family,mention it in casual conversation (I know but there's always an opening to be had) Email news links to your contacts/address book,join a discussion group/web forum.Print out media articles and hand them out. In the end it's down to the one's who know there's something wrong to convince others,the government wont do it,they are the problem. Good post, Greying Blonde.  [QUOTE ]Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.."
-- Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Göring
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quote: Originally posted by Greying Blonde: quote: Originally posted by strawberries:
Thanks for the links riccardo i have had my eyes opened even more,iam wondering what can we do to stop this most people i speak to dont see anything wrong and think im being stupid.They really dont see whats going on,so what now can we make a diffrence and if so how? anybody got any ideas
Most people have become "victims" already, in that they consider resistance to change is futile (Borg mentality ),even if they saw what was going on it's a nice comfort zone with distractions such as Celebrity feckwits in the jungle/Coronation st/Eastenders/Holby/et al . Even the more discerning viewer has the likes of crime capers with dna profiling or history channels perpetuating myths of war,or science programs now showing the jokey side,and leaving out the facts ala Horizon. What can you do,that is a good question strawberries,well I guess keep plugging away. For instance,I have been talking about the civil liberties erosions for quite a while,sure I was riddiculed (I can take it),but now it's all over the news and can hardly be so easily dismissed as the ramblings of a internet freak. Tell your friends and family,mention it in casual conversation (I know but there's always an opening to be had) Email news links to your contacts/address book,join a discussion group/web forum.Print out media articles and hand them out. In the end it's down to the one's who know there's something wrong to convince others,the government wont do it,they are the problem. [QUOTE ]Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.."
-- Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Göring
Cheers VOX[/QUOTE] Oops, posted in the middle again, I don't kow how I manage to keep doing that... Good post, Greying Blonde. |
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quote: Thanks for the links riccardo i have had my eyes opened even more,iam wondering what can we do to stop this most people i speak to dont see anything wrong and think im being stupid.They really dont see whats going on,so what now can we make a diffrence and if so how? anybody got any ideas
Well you can always join NO2ID at no2id.net its £15 per year. And if you feel that strongly against it you can always help the opposition political parties against the governmnet who are tearing down our liberty. At the end of the day a few of us handing out leaflets or news items to people will not change governmnet policy, We all need to band together as a single pressure group. or coalition of pressure groups. I've been standing on the strret in the middle of Glasgow handing out no2id leaflets and trying to get people to sign thier petition. I actually get a lot of people coming up to me who are against the id cards. I think as Greying blonde says, now the mainstream media are picking up on some of the more worrying aspects of a survellance socioty people are begining to turn against it. For instance with ID cards 80% were for them in 2004 according to MORI now according to ICM the country is split 50/50. I think this is due to people learning more about this horrible Big Brother scheme. |
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thank you all i think the general idea is to spread the word even if your friends think you have lost the plot,thats ok i lost it years ago. I have been visiting the no2id and found my local group,i feel very strongly about this not just for myself but for all its not a road im going down.Thankyou for your feedback it was all very helpfull and most inportant its been helpfull on where i can go from here and how we can still stop this
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quote: Well you can always join NO2ID at no2id.net its £15 per year. And if you feel that strongly against it you can always help the opposition political parties against the governmnet who are tearing down our liberty.
I don't think helping the oppositon will do any good at all they all work for big business.They used to work for the people but those days are gone we are all cannon fodder now but we dont need to accept it. stand up to them and let them know we are not and will not be bullied into bending down to them ..... use your voice people ... |
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quote: Originally posted by buba1: quote: Well you can always join NO2ID at no2id.net its £15 per year. And if you feel that strongly against it you can always help the opposition political parties against the governmnet who are tearing down our liberty.
I don't think helping the oppositon will do any good at all they all work for big business.They used to work for the people but those days are gone we are all cannon fodder now but we dont need to accept it. stand up to them and let them know we are not and will not be bullied into bending down to them ..... use your voice people ...
Agreed,another good post there buba1. I know the US will be no better off under a democrat party,and the same goes for the UK under a tory party. Things wont change,as they're all bought and paid for by big corporations ala banks,oil, airlines,industrial military giants,and the few incredibly super rich and their families. It wont change if people choose to ignore it all and hope it all goes away,it wont. That could change if people would wake up and care about the things that are happening in the world today,and react by finding their collective voices, and shout out loud and clear, Stop the lies on the news everyday,stop the attacks on innocents across the Middle East,stop the propaganda of the "evil-doers"
farce,stop the war machine's drive into a nuclear sunset,stop the proposed replacement of Trident(we know of a few other things worthy of spending 25 Billion pounds on!).
And finally(for now),stop the deliberate dumbing down of our societyPeace and harmony are desired by the majority,these 2 things however,do not swell the coffers of the rich and powerful few at the top.
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Im with you on that greying blondie everything you said is spot on,i get very dispondant with England and the way its going but how do a few voices make a diffrence almost all my family and friends think there is nothing to worry about they think im jusy being paranoid? it seems so clear to me why cant they see it.I will tell you something i will not have a ID card how the hell can they make me im nobody?or will become no one,if you have nothing what can they do
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quote: Originally posted by riccardo: Interesting how alot of the public now say they are prepared to go to jail rather that have an ID card. Another good read riccardo made me smile how can they fine people if they dont work and if the next stop is prison who will look after the kids its going to cost them a lot of money dont you think? I woke up and changed a lot when a close family friend who worked hard all his life and saved hard for retirement and then lost there health and suffered horribly and got no help after all there giving to the goverment not help with a bath each week,what a joke? this woke me up and you are better having nothing that way you get it all with nothing to loose,dont get me wrong i pay my own way but if push comes to shuve i can shuve pretty hard? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2...06/12/04/ndata04.xmlAnd yet the Governmnet still think the public want to be treated like branded cattle 
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From Riccardos' link: quote: There is also compelling evidence that Mr Blair is wrong to assert that there is no civil liberties issue at stake, merely an argument about cost and practicality. Of those unhappy with the database, 70 per cent object in principle.
No sh!t Sherlock 
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Any advance on £5.8 Billion over 10 years,for ID cards? The Independant
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Dose anybody really have any idea if this is us worrying about nothing or is it really going to happen and if so what do you think they will do with those who dont work ie stay at home mums or oap how can they force this issue when it is against your civil rights,many people get away with stuff due to there relegion and beleifs if this is the case how can id cards be forced.I do understand that some people want an id card and that is there choice but what are they really going to do with the rest of us? i dont understand how child abusers can roam the street yet those who revolt against id can go to prison are they trying to scare us again,what the hell is going on,it feels like if they throw enough **** some of it will stick and they can down tread us so much you almost want to give in for the ease of it and along the way you forget what is important and even who you are in the future.Most of us are good decent people why are we always punnished for this do they want us all bad? sorry about the spelling to much messing and not enough learning clearly?
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