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I would have to say Marnie, Spellbound, Notorious, Rear Window, Psycho and Dial M for Murder


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"The Lodger"
Its one of his earliest films, (Mid 20's I think). A man takes lodgings with a family in London just as a series of grizzly murders occur in the area.
Despite been a silent movie and nearly 80 years old it has quite a modern feel and you can see so many of the themes and influences which make up his later works.
 
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the birds


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i also love the birds.one of the greatest horror films ever.still scary today.
 
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vertigo by some distnce.am i alone in thinking psycho is massively overrated?
 
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Vertigo and Rope, along with most of the ones already listed. I've yet to find a real dud amongst his work, but I'm open to suggestions!

The concept of overrated and underrated is always an interesting one. I suppose you could argue that most critically acclaimed films are 'overrated' in general. Psycho is a great, great film and so for me it deserves its acclaim.


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lifeboat is terrible and so is torn curtain.psycho falls apart in the second half
 
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I haven't seen either Lifeboat or Torn Curtain, so I'll be sure to look out for them (Or should that be 'avoid them'?) Smile

The second half of Psycho is why I like it so much! The film really kicks in halfway through, and every step after that just takes us further into the depths of the man's mind. There's not a weak link to be found. The acting, directing, score, it all fits together perfectly. It's a very good tool for showing mental illness, and it culminates in one of the creepiest inner monologues in history. I especially love the very final shot, with the skull superimposed.

What in particular didn't you like about it mate?


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Torn Curtain's not that bad. I haven't seen it for years but I remember enjoying it. Anyway, bad from Hitchcock is still usually 20 times better than a lot of other people's work.


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it just so obvious!theres a psycho who has a weird thing about his mother.wow thats real profound.its very gimmicky too with that false beginning and the shower scene which is scary but has no point to it other than just to scare.ill grant that tony perkins is very good in it though.
 
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I don't know man, gimmicky isn't necessarily a bad thing. Hitchcock was the master of gimmicks. He'd use any method he could to squeeze every drop out of the audience. He was one of the true manipulators of cinema, but when you take apart his films there's always real substance there. It's not a case of style without substance, more like applying the icing to a really tasty cake. So that when you really examine moments like the shower scene, you can see they serve more than just one purpose.


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i find psycho lacks mystery but vertigo has lots of mystery.its so much to do with tone,putting you in the right mood etcmarnie has some of that too.film is illusion and vertigo puts you right there.psycho feels like a cheap gag by comparison
 
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Good point about Vertigo, a great atmospheric film.


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lifeboat is terrible and so is torn curtain.psycho falls apart in the second half


Lifeboat is a great film. Full of tension and grips you till he end. There may be some over the top acting don't let that put you off.


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anyone seen shadow of a doubt?that would be in my hitch top five.how big is the lifeboat in lifeboat?it changes size from scene to scene
 
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and the shower scene which is scary but has no point to it other than just to scare.
But that IS the point of it - to scare. The best part of that scene is not actually when she's being stabbed but when you see the bathroom door open through the shower curtain and the camera slowly closing in on it.
Psycho is definately my favourite Hitchcock film.
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Rear Window
Vertigo
The Birds
Rope
Dial M For Murder
 
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Definatley Physco- it's the only film that has ever made me properly jump! But also the birds and noone mentioned (I don't think) 'The Man Who Knew too much' which is a Hitchcock classic staring Doris Day.
 
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it just so obvious!theres a psycho who has a weird thing about his mother.wow thats real profound.its very gimmicky too with that false beginning and the shower scene which is scary but has no point to it other than just to scare

The shower scene isn't even scary and it;s only point is not to scare- the whole way it's shot is amazing- it took 80 cameras to do that and it's just a work of art in my opinion.
 
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if it took 80 cameras then its storyboarded to death.the shower scene is very effective but it has no real spontaneity to it.
 
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My favorites...

Rebecca
Notorious
Strangers on a Train
Shadow of Doubt
I confess
Rear Window
Vertigo
North By Northwest
The Birds
Psycho
Marnie

Anyway, though many of his films are flawed and there some real duds, I believe Hitchcock to be the greatest MAINSTREAM film director of all time.

Because a mainsteam film must achieve a balance between artistic value/integrity and audience entertainment, or as Kubrick put it, "My aim is to have 100% artistic integrity and make as much money as Star Wars" no one has ever acheived this balancing act better than Alfred Hitchcock.

On top of this he was the most prolific director too. For evidence of this take a look at his profile on imdb.com and look at the dates and particularly his output in the fourteen years between 1951 and 1964

As for the Psycho thing I would say that first half of Psycho is the work of a cinematic master and is perhaps the most studied 45 minutes of western cinema ever but it does fall apart in the last half because of the sheer shock to the system of his murdering the antagonist and star of his film halfway through the story and shifting sympathies to the person who we believe to be the murderer's accomplice. It was a plotpoint only a genius like Hitchcock would or even could attempt and although there are still two more great sequences, the murder of Arboghast and the discovery of Mrs Bates, you are just left emotionally numbed by the incredible shock of Marion's murder in the shower. Of course this impact is lost or at least lessed to modern audiences, most of whom watch the film knowing exactly what happens in the shower scene going in, but at the time, it was an incredible brave and brilliant move and very shocking moment to experience
 
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All the films already mentioned by other forummers. Apart from sappy melodramas like Under Capricorn I think most of Hitchcocks movies are classics - infact I bet he made more "good" movies than any other director.
 
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Anyway, though many of his films are flawed and there some real duds, I believe Hitchcock to be the greatest MAINSTREAM film director of all time.

how about john ford,howard hawks or steven spielberg?
also a film like vertigo only became known as a masterpiece several years after it was released.it was a flop when it was first shown.
keeping commercialism and creativity in balance is tough and not one that hitchcock consistently pulled off.

agree with you about psycho though
 
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I hadn't forgotten about John Ford, Howard Hawks or Steven Speilberg or John Huston or Martin Scorsese. They were/are all masters of the craft, but for me Hitchcock surpasses them all, and I love many of the films of those others, particularly John Huston but as mentioned none of them made MORE 'great' mainstream films than Alfred Hitchcock. He was just a brilliant film making (and marketing) genius in the truest sense of the word.
 
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And can any of those directors claim to have a period of their careers to match this five years. Speilberg is lucky to make two films every five years

North by Northwest (1959)
Vertigo (1958)
The Wrong Man (1956)
The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956)
The Trouble with Harry (1955)
To Catch a Thief (1955)
Rear Window (1954)
Dial M for Murder (1954)
 
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but it does fall apart in the last half because of the sheer shock to the system of his murdering the antagonist


i meant 'protagonist' by the way. i was very tired when i wrote that which is why i also said 14 years between 51-64 when it was just 13.
 
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