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Whoop de doo esme women are good spellers. It was people like charles darwin challanging the church's dogma and other great achievements that changed the world, not winners of spelling bees.
Like a fat a guy at an all you can eat buffet life got in my way.
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Men destroy; women create. A generalisation, of course, but one which is broadly true. And this is why men are the ones you'll see stomping around with guns in films. Pointing the camera at the woman staying calm and quietly strong and not hogging the limelight makes for more reflective cinema which is obviously not to the taste of certain forummers.
You may also be interested to know that Charles Darwin's wife Emma was a world-class pianist, and outlived him by fifteen years.
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Most men value good written communication skills. Cloud Strife and Fizzwizzle are spitting on the memory of Shakespeare and a million other male poets,playwrights,authors,lyricists,orators and journalists.
Fizzwizzle and Cloud strife think that women can't be action heroes and,for some reason,Cousin Theresa is validating their belief by saying that women don't like guns and killing.
Personally, I'm a man who believes that women can and have successfully played action heroes
(No one else but Sigourney Weaver could ever have played Ripley in the Alien series) and that many women like guns, violence,cars,boxing,martial arts,explosions,monsters etcetera.
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You're wrong about me spitting on shakesperes memory and other male authors, all my favourite authors are male, I ve read 1984 by George Orwell and Paradise Lost by John Milton. Also I greatly admire the orating skills that Winston Churchill had, and all my favourite muscians are male. Also about man hogging the lime light cousin theresa, we can't help it if the majority of great philosophers, authors, artists, statespeople and scientits have been men. Women say that this is sexist, but its just the way things were. Nothing they say or do can change it. Wothout great men like Darwin and Galieo we would all still be thinking that the earth is flat and the centre of the solar system and that we desecnded from adam and eve.
Like a fat a guy at an all you can eat buffet life got in my way.
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^I take your point about the majority of noted achievements in the fields you mentioned having been carried out by men. However, it's only really within the last 100 years that women have been afforded equality with their male counterparts. This inequality was largely the result of religion justifying gender imbalance; in this nation's pre-Christian, pagan past women were just as powerful as men. With the slow and steady decline of the concept of religion as a serious proposition, and with rising political power and represntation, women are on their way to achieving equality once more. Which isn't to say that they are the same as men emotionally. They're not. They don't like guns and killing.
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quote: Originally posted by CousinTeresa:
They don't like guns and killing.
Martin Luther King and the Mahatma Ghandi spring to mind. How do you know what every woman in this world likes and does not like? Are you saying that all women are the same? Do you speak on behalf of the women who participate in and defend fox-hunting, for example. I'd say killing and hunting are instinctive and natural for survival and are probably instinctive in both genders; the lioness hunts and kills as does the lion why shouldn't a woman kill just like a man. Personally I've seen plenty of "cat" fights and they've usually been more brutal and violent than fights between men. Women can be very agressive,particularly towards each other. |
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quote: Originally posted by well-wisher:
How do you know what every woman in this world likes and does not like?
I don't, dear. I made it clear earlier on I was speaking in general terms. Yes, women have the potential for great violence, but their brain chemistry makes them very different creatures to men. Search for "serial killers" on Wikipedia and tell me the proportion of men to women. This will tell you one of two things: 1) Women like guns and killing less than men; or 2) Women like guns and killing just as much, if not more, than men, but are too clever to get caught. quote: I'd say killing and hunting are instinctive and natural for survival and are probably instinctive in both genders; the lioness hunts and kills as does the lion why shouldn't a woman kill just like a man.
Killing and hunting are only natural for survival these days if you're one of Bruce Parry's mates. Besides, we're discussing killing in films, and whichever gender is doing the killing on the silver screen, it's relatively rare that they'll then eat whoever they've just killed (although I have seen some Japanese films.... hmmm, maybe later). The equivalent of a lioness killing prey in the human sphere is shopping for food, and I still see a lot more women than men doing the family shop at the Co-op down the road. |
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quote: Originally posted by CousinTeresa:
I don't, dear. I made it clear earlier on I was speaking in general terms.
Wether you made it clear or not is irrelevent. Wether it is possible for you to generalize at all is my point. If I make it clear that I am speaking in general terms about people of African origin would that justify me stereotyping them. You are making sweeping statements about a vast group of people without the least bit of evidence to back it up. quote: Search for "serial killers" on Wikipedia and tell me the proportion of men to women. This will tell you one of two things: 1) Women like guns and killing less than men; or 2) Women like guns and killing just as much, if not more, than men, but are too clever to get caught.
Using your bizarre logic; if I were to find more famous male scientists on wikipedia than famous female scientists what should I conclude? That women don't possess enquiring minds? Or is it fair to use such meagre evidence to condemn men but not women. quote:
Besides, we're discussing killing in films, and whichever gender is doing the killing on the silver screen, it's relatively rare that they'll then eat whoever they've just killed (although I have seen some Japanese films.... hmmm, maybe later).
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Yes I thought this thread was about movies but you and Fizzwizzle were making it into a gender slagging match. quote: Killing and hunting are only natural for survival these days if you're one of Bruce Parry's mates.
If you're a character in an action or horror movie then yes, I should think that killing may be necessary for survival. Should the heroine of an action or horror movie just go shopping when she is attacked? |
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quote: Originally posted by well-wisher:
Should the heroine of an action or horror movie just go shopping when she is attacked?
Yes. |
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^ From the American Psychological Association website.
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I am in no way saying that woman can't be as good as men, I mearly pointing out that the way society was when people like darwin published their ideas, men were taken more seriously, if a woman had come up the theory of evolution, she would probably have been laughed at. Now iam not saying that was right, but was the way that soceity worked. For centuries soceity in many cultures has been patriarchal, although that has changed recently. History is littered with geat leaders such as Alexander the Great, who are men. Even today there are far more men on boards of dircetors than there are women. About women being more aggressive than men, I am not so sure some of historys main agressors have been men I mean look at Hitler or Stalin. Through out history men have been involved in more and bloodier wars than women, I mean some of the earliest human remains had spear heads in them. Iam not trying to put women down here, I mearly stating historical facts, it is men like Hitler who are behind some of the world greatest travesties, not women. I am also not sure about men being more passive, throughout history, men have fought and conquered. Men can be incredibly agressive, I mean look at the kinds of sport they do such as rugby. I think it is the case that women are more agressive these days becasue they feel like they have to be in order to compete with men, whereas men probably feel like their place in history is secure. Personally I would never allow myself to be pushed around by a woman, and I am most certaintly not afraid of strong women as I know that my own will and ambition is strong enough to stand up to them.
Like a fat a guy at an all you can eat buffet life got in my way.
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quote: About women being more aggressive than men,
I wasn't saying that women were more aggressive than men. I was saying that some women and some men are agressive; some men and some women are not; that we are all individuals and the article shows how environment and learned behaviour play just as large a role in determining personality as biological factors do. It may be that some men are violent because of the environment which they grew up in and not simply because they are men and that women who grow up in an aggressive environment might be just as aggressive as men. |
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quote: Originally posted by CousinTeresa on the Extreme Forum:
I've now watched "Devil's Experiment", which was utterly stupid. We know nothing about the main character, so are less likely to care what happens to her. Plus, if someone's having super-hot cooking oil poured on them, they're gonna go crispy and scream their lungs out, not go slightly red and whimper a bit. Lame, lame, lame!!
Also today I saw "Bunman: The Untold Story" which Dr_Gonzo_87 recommended earlier in this thread. It was really enjoyable. Halfway decent production values/editing/script. Gory, yes, but not really disturbing apart from one scene where the restaurant owner's family are slaughtered. I found that unsettling for the sole reason that either the three little girls are the best actresses in the whole of Asia, or no-one told them this was pretend. They look absolutely petrified throughout.
Am seeing "August Underground" tomorrow.
Cousin Teresa
Ok, I get it, very funny. Cousin Theresa is a fan of violent sicko movies posing as a woman who doesn't like violence. |
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^I don't like violence in real-life and have worked with violent men and teenagers as a counsellor. However, I draw a distinction between real-life and movies. Don't you?
Yeah, I like extreme cinema. I also love films starring Doris Day. Watching death and destruction doesn't make me any more likely to participate in violence than watching a George Formby film would make me play a ukelele with an idiot grin and emigrate to 1940s Lancashire.
I've worked in prisons, casualty departments and a morgue, and have seen the very best and very worst that the human character is capable of. I acknowledge and am in touch with my dark side. I'm glad you're amused by this. I think you need to actually read the section of the long passage you cut & pasted above about gender-difference myths.
Can someone who watches extreme cinema not be an exponent of gender equality? I'm sure Mary Harron would love to hear your reasoning behind that!
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quote: Originally posted by well-wisher:
Your missing the point. Your a woman who likes violent movies which means you like violence a lot more than I do
I think you're missing the point. You have to differentiate between movie violence and real-life violence, otherwise what's to stop you accusing Christians of enjoying crucifixion because they read the Bible? Besides, friends who know me will tell you I'm hardly an average girl! |
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quote: Originally posted by CousinTeresa: quote: Originally posted by well-wisher:
Your missing the point. Your a woman who likes violent movies which means you like violence a lot more than I do
I think you're missing the point. You have to differentiate between movie violence and real-life violence, otherwise what's to stop you accusing Christians of enjoying crucifixion because they read the Bible? Besides, friends who know me will tell you I'm hardly an average girl!
I think that many christians do have a morbid enjoyment of crucifixion and suffering; it would account, in some part, for the masochistic elements in roman catholicism and in some christian cultures followers even have themselves crucified,nails and all. Having now read some of your posts on the extreme thread and the strange delight you seem to derive from viewing acts of sadism I'm quite prepared to believe that your not an average girl; I would be rather alarmed if the average girl got dissapointed because a man didn't scream enough as he was having hot oil poured on him. |
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I also take a strange delight in biting the bottom off a Cornetto and sucking all the ice cream through the hole. This is how we do things on the dark side.
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Well,give my regards to Darth Vader when you see him.
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Vader's a lightweight.
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quote: Originally posted by well-wisher:
Well,give my regards to Darth Vader when you see him.
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Your missing the point. Your a woman who likes violent movies which means you like violence a lot more than I do wether it be movie violence or whatever and I'm a man and so your whole argument about men liking violence more than women is just utter nonsense.