I definately think once a person gets to a certain age he/she shouldn't get a driving licence. There was a tv programme where it was showing how elderly driver's reactions are not as fast.
Not only that the other day I saw an elderly driver without any lights and and it was dark! Perhaps he forgot to put them on.

I mean it's not only the driver himself/herself he/she is putting into danger it's other road users!

yes i hav 2 agree wit u ...older pensionable ppl r slowerr in reaction n tbh i tink if they wan 2 continue holdin a licence then they shud really hav 2 re sit there test once they retire ...that way it wud not interfere wit there work if they needed it 4 there work ..here in scotland we hav free travel both locally n nationally 4 oaps n tbh i still c evidence of 'greed'


i hav personally witnessed first hand oaps parkin there car free in the car parks n then hoppin ona bus 2 anotha town/city ..comin bak n then gettin bak in2 there car again...the whole concept well one of the concepts of the free travel in scotland was 2 reduce the number of drivers thro 'natural wastage' i.e. oaps wud c that free bus passes were both economical and reliable...sadly this has not been the case as we once again c mans greed comin 2 the forefron ...ol ppl r now verry greedy in my opinion n shud not hav both.... they shud b forced 2 giv up there drivin licence or lose there free travel in scotland ....rememba ... the travel includes both rail n taxi discounts as well if they qualify 4 this free travel so tbh it is pure greed on these ppls ..

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Originally posted by maximus destinus:
yes i hav 2 agree wit u ...older pensionable ppl r slowerr in reaction n tbh i tink if they wan 2 continue holdin a licence then they shud really hav 2 re sit there test once they retire ...that way it wud not interfere wit there work if they needed it 4 there work ..here in scotland we hav free travel both locally n nationally 4 oaps n tbh i still c evidence of 'greed'


i hav personally witnessed first hand oaps parkin there car free in the car parks n then hoppin ona bus 2 anotha town/city ..comin bak n then gettin bak in2 there car again...the whole concept well one of the concepts of the free travel in scotland was 2 reduce the number of drivers thro 'natural wastage' i.e. oaps wud c that free bus passes were both economical and reliable...sadly this has not been the case as we once again c mans greed comin 2 the forefron ...ol ppl r now verry greedy in my opinion n shud not hav both.... they shud b forced 2 giv up there drivin licence or lose there free travel in scotland ....rememba ... the travel includes both rail n taxi discounts as well if they qualify 4 this free travel so tbh it is pure greed on these ppls ..

well said, what part of scotland r u fae likes?

north east

No lights is a common problem with the street lights being so much better these days, you sometimes don't notice you haven't switched them on, this is not just a problem of the elderly, who may "have the keys in the ignition but there are no lights on and the battery is running low"

I agree that older people's reactions are not as quick as a younger person, especially when it comes to driving and this can not only be dangerous to the driver but also other road users and pedestrians. Some young drivers on the other hand also drive recklessly hence the term 'boy racer' and I think speed restrictions should apply to drivers under 21 in order to kerb this recklessness. If they are found to be speeding then penalty points should go on the licence which will incurr them additional insurance charges hopefully. Where I live OAPs do get bus passes but not reductions in taxi fares or train fares and public transport does not always take people to the places they want to go so I can see how drivin is still a more attractive alternative to using public transport. People retire at all kinds of different ages so to say that somebody should retake their test when they retire is somewhat age discriminating. I dont think greed comes into the equation. I think convenience is the deciding factor.

of corse greed comes in2 it ive witnessed it first hand wen i was on the buses....

AND u got 2 remeba that we do need 2 get ppl offa the rds...who better than ppl comin 2 the end of there workin life rather than ppl b ginnin there workin life

or lets make it compulsory like they do when u drive HGVs n PCVs ...lets make the doctor liable if after a certain age he allows n certifys that a particular person of questionable ability is able 2 competemtly drive when they reach a certain age

its all bout safety ...n tbh not all young drivers r 'boy racers' in my experience again its actually the young girls who drive like luntaics...but yeh we only need 2 get 6 points n 2 yrs n we got a resit so really that been takin care of

now lets get the ol ppl who tink cos they been drivin 4 50 yrs that they r safe drivers!! c'mon lets face it some of these guys didn't even PASS a drivin test ...cos in the 'good ol days' if they cud afford a car ..they were actually GIVEN there licences witout actually passin any drivin test !!

where i live OAPS do get there discounts on taxis n rail fare and of corse there bus pass..as do obviously the diabled n those carin 4 the disabled etc

hmmmmmm upon reflection of the above posts it cud b considered wat u said an 'agesist' thing ...but my opinion is far from it i think the real problem is not the issue of the ability of old ppl in general ....but the dependency of the older generation on the current system....as we all kno the population of the UK is gonna get overburdened as documented in many social policys n reports n this i suppose is a factor ....more n more we r finding that the greatest burden is on the workin population....we simply cannot if things progress as forecast subsidise it. Basically more carers n social care officers r needed, more ppl r living longer than expected hence the pension crisis which my generation will pay 4 cos if u r born b4 1952 ur safe afterwards 2 ur on more dodgy ground so yeh may b there is slight jelousy that this generation of old ppl r gettin more 'value' 4 money than wat my generation will get when we reach'65' cos the way tis goin we aint never gonna retire ...oh yeh we will b like dead n buried b4 we finish our work which initially was bout 70 yrs old ...but looks like it cud b further as mention of 77 is now more realistic ...rather unfair i say considerin that the oaps nowadays r ppl who get free travel free prescriptions can go bak 2 work tax free and get 300 squid cold weather payment regardless of weather or not they r actually ina cold environment ...seems 2 me jus now that the government is catering far 2 much 4 oaps tbh ...i suspect b cos theyve los my generation as tbh we do not vote in as vast numbers as the oaps ..mayb thats y there seems 2 b tons of incentives 4 the oaps....hmmm mayb im a tad cyanical....the great british government collusion imo...

the basic stae pension is £115 squid n odd pence a week 4 a single oap ...compare that 2 a person of workable age n c the vast discrepence...one can say this is cos we cannot allow the unemployed 2 b made comfortable ...may b so n tbh i actually agree but then u hav 2 remind urself that these oaps were ina era of good employment many many of them actually in the one job 4 20+ years....compare that 2 nowadays ...no longer shall that happen as of now ...no longer will the youth of 2day experience such a workin environment ...b cos of th pension crisis...contractual work is all...if ur lucky may b 2 -3 years tops in the one job so on the whole doesn't look @ all cosy 4 the 'youth' does it ...


and u kno wat???

2 top it all...even work experience is verry hard 4 young ppl nowadays cos a kid wit no qualifications cannot even get work experience ina charity shop voluntarily ...cos n chek this out 4 urself....loads of oaps r workin in them ...a way 2 occupy there twilight years... still greedy imo...now lets compare that 2 how many oaps u hav herd say ' i left school wit no qualifications n still got a job worked hard n made a success...'...fair enuff i imagine it CAN b done but verry rarely nowadays but lets face it ....giv us a break...aint no way in hell a majority will b echo in that statement as said by so many of the pas generation...

anyhoo nuff controversy ....i still say we shud respect our oaps but lets b fair

current clim8 vs future clim8 vs the forecast of our bleak dependant culture

I earn £27.60 a week. I'm rolling on being 60 probably have to be 99 to claim a pension when i'm old enough.

Young drivers can be just as bad. especially joy riders

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Young drivers can be just as bad. especially joy riders

yep

I was walking across the road the other week with my niece who is four years old and if it hadbeen a few seconds later we would have been hit by a boy who looked about 25 driving like a maniac! I could not believe it when I later found out he was in fact 19 and all legal!

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Originally posted by bagel queen:
I was walking across the road the other week with my niece who is four years old and if it hadbeen a few seconds later we would have been hit by a boy who looked about 25 driving like a maniac! I could not believe it when I later found out he was in fact 19 and all legal!

sorry..not 25...15

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Originally posted by maximus destinus:
of corse greed comes in2 it ive witnessed it first hand wen i was on the buses....

AND u got 2 remeba that we do need 2 get ppl offa the rds...who better than ppl comin 2 the end of there workin life rather than ppl b ginnin there workin life

why shouldnt somebody who has worked hard all their life not have some pleasure in their retirement. Some young people today wouldnt get out of bed to do some of the jobs OAPs did during their working life for a pittance of pay. How you can consider voluntary work in a charity shop to be greedy is quite beyond me. They are giving up thier time for no financial reward at all. Just cos somebody is of a certain age doesnt mean they have to curl up n die tho by the tone of your post I think you would prefer it then you wouldnt have to put up with anybody over a certain age and it would leave a bit more space of the buses for the so called young people to swan around.

Aged 70 you have to reapply for your license which includes meeting the minimum eyesight requirement etc. I believe that you must repeat the process every further three years.

age is just a number surely

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Originally posted by aloo:

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Originally posted by maximus destinus:
of corse greed comes in2 it ive witnessed it first hand wen i was on the buses....

AND u got 2 remeba that we do need 2 get ppl offa the rds...who better than ppl comin 2 the end of there workin life rather than ppl b ginnin there workin life

why shouldnt somebody who has worked hard all their life not have some pleasure in their retirement. Some young people today wouldnt get out of bed to do some of the jobs OAPs did during their working life for a pittance of pay. How you can consider voluntary work in a charity shop to be greedy is quite beyond me. They are giving up thier time for no financial reward at all. Just cos somebody is of a certain age doesnt mean they have to curl up n die tho by the tone of your post I think you would prefer it then you wouldnt have to put up with anybody over a certain age and it would leave a bit more space of the buses for the so called young people to swan around.

I agree...whats greedy about voluntary work?

bumped for bagel

aww thank you rexi!

you dont get paid for voluntary work...the only way you could be greedy is if you were claiming more bus fare than you should!

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Originally posted by bagel queen:
aww thank you rexi!

you dont get paid for voluntary work...the only way you could be greedy is if you were claiming more bus fare than you should!

looks like maxi desti bailed out when the going got tough and he/she couldnt back up their "voluntary workers are greedy' statement. Such a shame that one had such potential