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Ranting over from me. Makes you wonder whether, if Time Team was moved to the Beeb or ITV, more funding or sponsorship could be afforded/obtained to archaeology, to increase the lack of funding. Does that make sense? We could then get rid of some of these awful reality programmes! Our land just has so much to offer and it is why the Yanks love us so much because we have so much history to share and show.
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quote: Originally posted by Tarcey:
Getting rid of the portable antiquities scheme is not going to help.
Oops, did I say get rid of? Sorry I meant 'downscale' or 'cut back on funding'. |
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quote: Originally posted by Q'PLAU:
I would say the current way. By independent valuation?
But that obviously encourages the private sale of artefacts for those who are detecting for financial reward and not for the altruistic preservation of our heritage. (By the way, I don't have a solution to this problem, just a lot of circular arguments to try to resolve!  ) |
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quote: Originally posted by Tarcey:
Getting rid of the portable antiquities scheme is not going to help.
Quite right. There is a common misconception that the PAS is just for the benefit of metal detectorists, and if you attack it, you are attacking those whom you see as the enemy. The scheme is a valuable resource for everyone, including academics and historians undertaking research. Personally I can't see myself selling anything I've found, but as my finds have been recorded, it doesn't really make any difference who owns them. There aren't enough museums in the country to display all finds made by detectorists, and how many examples of a particular item does a museum need ?
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quote: Personally I can't see myself selling anything I've found
Indeed, but some people do and it causes a clash of perceptions. I'm old enough to remember a time when people who found stuff tended to rush off very pleased and give it to the museum and the question of a reward or selling it didn't really enter most peoples' heads and they didn't really think it was theirs to profit from. All those of my vintage will have been shocked to see those two effectively running a mining operation. My sort also have distaste for the spectre of farmers being paid to allow Rallies on their land, like a one-off cash crop. Can;t help it. I'm a pre-Thatcherite. |
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What is Time Team's opinion of metal detectorists? From the TT FAQ Page
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Tony Robinson's latest offering on the subjectTony's views (well, Mick and Phil's views actually)
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After being involved in metal detecting for about 30 years,
have extensive experience of the themed internet fora,
bearing in mind the numbers of detectorists I know personally,
and finaly detecting being a 'small world'
I don't know one single person who actually knows these two.
Actors! that's what I say,
perhaps TT are cleverer then I though,
we do have the PAS funding troubles on the horison,
what better way to get the non detecting public,behind the ban n hang em brigade.........
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quote: Originally posted by webleyman:
Actors! that's what I say,
perhaps TT are cleverer then I thought,
That crossed my mind at one point, but they are genuine.
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Interested reading in the TT reply to this.
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quote: Originally posted by Tetricus:
Tony Robinson implied in the programme that the Committee values finds below their true market value because museums cannot afford to pay the full price.
I didn't get the impression that Tony himself thought this was true, rather that he thought the detectorists felt this to be the case. |
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quote: Originally posted by SIMONKG:
Look.
I am new to Time Team and am hooked, big time.
When I recently saw the gold coin unearthed I got excited. I keep playing back the moment on Sky+!
Simple Simon sees that these two gents have not given me the chance to get excited 7000 times more because of their selfishness.
I am guessing, and I may be wrong, that I can quite comfortably tar detectorists with the same brush.
I am sorry to offend but that is the way it probably is.
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To SIMONKG,
As a detectorist for nearly ten years,studied archaeology,geology,history and a watcher of Time Team since it began i find your comments offensive and ignorant about detectorists.
Detectorists go on arable fields 90% of the time,the other 10% may be pasture and beaches. The farmers plough goes deeper than we can detect artefacts and so has already destroyed archaeology over the years. The detectorists recover artefacts that would otherwise be destroyed or lost forever in these fields.
The artefacts recovered are of historical and sometimes financial value. We record/report anything of interest. This makes us all richer in the long run - the monarchy,the government,the state,the museums,and the average joe in the street who pays his taxes. Our ancestors lost/left these artefacts and we have the right and a duty to recover them resonsibly. 99% of the time we go out detecting we find nothing to shout about. Even the scrap lead/copper bits we find goes back into the system!
I'll carry on doing this great hobby/pastime until the dictators with guns stop us.You are welcome to come out with us anytime to see what we do to escape the rat race.
I could tell you who i think the leeches are in this country...
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Like everything in society,there's always a minority that spoils it for everyone else. Authority and the academics always seem to act and ban things because of a few inconsiderate idiots.
Archaeologists and detectorists can work together and help each other easily. Don't let snobbery get in the way.
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quote: The artefacts recovered are of historical and sometimes financial value. We record/report anything of interest. This makes us all richer in the long run - the monarchy,the government,the state,the museums,and the average joe in the street who pays his taxes. Our ancestors lost/left these artefacts and we have the right and a duty to recover them resonsibly.
As a matter of interest, how do you feel when you see the detectorists' forums full of people grumbling that the awards made by the Treasure Valuation Committee are far too low? How is "the monarchy,the government,the state,the museums,and the average joe in the street who pays his taxes" enriched by the awards system? Wouldn't Treasure items all end up in museums anyway, even if no reward was paid to the finders? After all, the detectorists are out there anyway finding things and responsibly reporting them all. What difference would it make if the taxpayer didn't offer rewards? |
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quote: Originally posted by OLIVERSDAD:
Archaeologists and detectorists can work together and help each other easily. Don't let snobbery get in the way.
I think both detectorists and archaeologists alike have something in common. They weren't impressed with the way this programme was presented. Perhaps that was the intention ?
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Britain and it's people are enriched by the treasures detectorists find, in a financial,cultural,educational way.
Detectorists put in alot of time and effort in research and walking the fields if they are lucky enough to get permission and most of the time find nothing to shout about. Any monetary reward they may get is deserved if they do find something that a museum may want to display.
Medieval laws tell us that any gold or silver found in the ground belongs to the crown or state. Find bits of iron or lead and we can keep it! Fair?
The detectorists find what we would all never have if they didn't make the effort.Leave in the ground to be destroyed and lost for ever or find it and show it to the nation? The choice is yours...
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quote: Leave in the ground to be destroyed and lost for ever or find it and show it to the nation? The choice is yours...
Eh? What choice? Detectorists find the finds and take them to the museum don't they? quote: Any monetary reward they may get is deserved
But my point was, they'd still take those items to the museum and responsibly hand them over even if there wasn't a reward, so wouldn't it be sensible to save the taxpayer the expense of giving rewards that have no effect on the situation? Wouldn't the money be better spent where it WOULD make a difference? On tax cuts, or hospitals for instance? |
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quote: Originally posted by OLIVERSDAD:
To SIMONKG,
As a detectorist for nearly ten years,studied archaeology,geology,history and a watcher of Time Team since it began i find your comments offensive and ignorant about detectorists.
Detectorists go on arable fields 90% of the time,the other 10% may be pasture and beaches. The farmers plough goes deeper than we can detect artefacts and so has already destroyed archaeology over the years. The detectorists recover artefacts that would otherwise be destroyed or lost forever in these fields.
The artefacts recovered are of historical and sometimes financial value. We record/report anything of interest. This makes us all richer in the long run - the monarchy,the government,the state,the museums,and the average joe in the street who pays his taxes. Our ancestors lost/left these artefacts and we have the right and a duty to recover them resonsibly. 99% of the time we go out detecting we find nothing to shout about. Even the scrap lead/copper bits we find goes back into the system!
I'll carry on doing this great hobby/pastime until the dictators with guns stop us.You are welcome to come out with us anytime to see what we do to escape the rat race.
I could tell you who i think the leeches are in this country...
You rest my case for me with your quote 'even the scrap lead/copper bits find their way back into the system' You have created the image that whatever comes out of the ground needs to find its way into your pocket as cash. The impression I therefore get is that you are 'only in it for the money!' Sorry Oliversdad but that is how I see it.
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it amazes me people here think they have the first clue about everything , lets look at a few facts brought up , unstratified finds have no historical context on an area from an archilogical point of view , a metal detector can see down a good 8 inches assuming its not minerlised with iron so to shout its plunder of history is both rediculas and simply downright wrong , next everyone who has a metal detector is in it for the money, do you people have any idea of the costs involved ? a reasonable detector is 500 quid , batteries last all of 2 days , headphones cost a fortune as they need to be waterproof , transport cost and research cost are beyond belief , a small minority is in it for the money ? bull , there is no money for mr average or even mr minority and no-one does this for the money at all , these lads sold off items , so what ? a roman grot or a clipped lizzie the first penny has no hisorical president and isnt worth much either way , people here assume they have sold the crown jewels when in reality its near rubbish with no achiological context at all , as for the monies recieved , ill bet every one of you here who screams its for the money its for the money if you found a bag with 50 grand in it and came to claim the same in 6 months after handing it in ( like most would anyway )not a single person would complain when given 500 quid for their trouble even when no-one claimed it and your the rightfull owner now ! musuems lose more items each year than these guys will get to sell in a lifetime , check out prices on ebay for these types of items then explain the plunder
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Nobody's in it for the money?
So I suppose the so called nighthawks are just in it for kicks then?
You don't have to go down 8" to be in a stratified layer and what you describe as rubbush can constitute useful historical evidence if found in context.
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In a farmed arable field the top 12" or so is not stratified.
What the hell is this witch hunt for detectorists trying to achieve? There are many more people ahead of detectorists who may be thought of has destroying archaeology,plundering the treasures and removing history.
Look at land developers,road builders,housing estate builders,intense farming,estate owners sellig off 'their' land,councils selling public owned land and common land taken away. Never the mind the royalty and aristocrats who have mansions filled with 'plundered' and 'aquired' treasures from Britain and all over the world. They even ask english heritage/national trust to look after them when they hit hard times and ask the public to pay to go in to see these treasures!
God forbid the detectorists finding a few pence on the beach and pocketing it.That will be stopped soon!
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8`` down on a ploughed field and your trying to tell me this is a stratisfied layer , okayyyyy and regarding nighthawks then yes , unless you can explain to me all the quality finds that have come from nighthawks and their behaviour then ill tell you now that nighthawks are in it for the hoped for ownership of rare finds otherwise the market would show criminals off loading finds of value , note the words hoped for , ill tell you now nighthawks are into going onto restricted sites because of the hardship in finding quality detecting land , if they find something of value then it would be a massive rarity , if there was cause to believe to be quality items within an area archaeologists would have already been there to suck the ground dry otherwise there not doing there jobs , it stands to reason , how about we place the same reasoning on car drivers , theres joy riding taking place and potential loss of life , how about check-points every 500 yards then to stop this , restict freedoms ? , over the top reaction to what is a dangerious persuit ? or blatent restrictions on freedoms , a shotgun to swat a fly , i do-not agree with nighthawks , they are criminals not detectorists , dont restrict the masses over individials actions
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To SIMONKG,
Most of us are not in it for the money. Until recently an bits of scrap lead or copper found would have thrown in the hedge bottom away from crop soil or farm animals. Now there is value in this scrap and so some of us save it and take it to the scrap man eventualy to get a few quid.Want to hang us for that too?
Like i said before there's always a minority...
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