WTWN, I can see your point, and I myself am teetotal, although not altogether convinced it will affect anyone. Not sure TT has much influence on people's drinking habits. There are plenty of problems with binge drinking and over consumption, but there are other ways to tackle them.

I've always like the TT pub scenes, and was one of those who called for the return when they stopped including it. It always seemed to end a segment well, with them sitting down and arguing about what had been found during the day and planning the next day's campaign. Seem to recall on one occasion Tony being told to stop moaning by a local at Hylton Castle when he was being pessimistic. It also seemed to emphasise the team element, with everyone coming together after being scattered over the site throughout the day.

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Originally posted by Ann Wilkinson:
I still don't think that Time Team relaxing in the pub encourages binge drinking.

I'm with you and Eileen. I don't think there's anything wrong with showing responsible social drinking. I get more annoyed with soaps where apparently it's ok to get paralytic and behave badly - everything will be alright tomorrow and there will be no consequences. Or that the best thing to do after a "hard" day's work (sewing knickers! ) is to get "bladdered" .

It's also true that it is difficult to film gatherings of people in many other situations. Since they're all probably staying in hotels, would we prefer it if they were all shown gathered in one of the team's bedrooms?

I suppose it would be extra responsible to show the team with soft drinks rather than pints (just for display purposes! ) but imho I'm not convinced it's necessary.

Ann - I'm not sure "guidance" encompasses what children are lacking. That implies to me "counsellors" and that sort of thing. We got through our teens unscathed. In my case, I didn't dare go down the drink or drugs route because of what my parents might think or say. I also followed and respected the example they set me. However, looking at my neighbours it seems to be quite okay to get paralytic and throw up in front of the children and get into drunken disagreements. So like you I blame our generation for the way children are grow up because of the poor example we set them. Was it because we grew up "repressed" that we are now free as parents to do all the things we couldn't do as teenagers and let our children do the things we daren't? It is our generation who are the programme makers and schedulers - I think it's a vicious circle that we portray what we believe society to be like and society thinks it's okay to act as it's portrayed in the media. For example, where I live we have, at present, no anti-social behaviour problems. If children are introduced to it via the media and believe it is the norm, will they think it's okay to behave like that because they see it on telly? I don't think the media starts the behaviour, but I think it helps to spread it. And it's our generation which is spreading it.

(Gets off soapbox and collects coat.... )

Jenni -not the dreaded 'counsellors' (what an industry that is proving to be! and the jargon!!!!!) Having been present at the Hungerford massacre with my son I was asked to write to the BBC protesting against the film made two years ago which no one wanted -the Dg told me that his staff (Who were of an age not to remember it) helped to 'bring closure and healing'!!!! *******s! Certainly didn't to the people I know.

But that is a digression (wanting to get that off my chest for months)

I think what I mean is that no one teaches 'cause and effect' these days or old fashioned logic. Its portrayed so well by our present rulers who cannot think through the possible consequences of their actions.

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Originally posted by Ann Wilkinson:
... helped to 'bring closure and healing'!!!!

Was he purporting to be a counsellor as well?

Voyeurism and money-making, of course, didn't come into it

I did ask jenni -how he managed to get such a talented staff -so young yet fully trained as interviewers, cameramen and therapists -I did not get a reply. I pointed out that if he or his family had been there he would feel very diferently. Not documented but the film did cause distress and I now avoid all such 'documentaries', the fear can still strike even after years and the helplessness.

However, Time Team is the perfect antidote and I greatly enjoyed Sunday's (especially as I have a piece of similar pot from the field containing our local Roman site which I shall take to the museum.)

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Originally posted by Ann Wilkinson:
I think what I mean is that no one teaches 'cause and effect' these days or old fashioned logic. Its portrayed so well by our present rulers who cannot think through the possible consequences of their actions.

Nor take responsibility for the consequences of their actions - which personally I find even more galling. Not to mention expecting vandals/yobs/any other 'problem' group to take such responsibility whilst refusing to do so themselves... I may have to go Somewhere Else and have a quiet little rant all by myself.

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Tony and Robin looking quite rosy cheeked at a farm near Navan. That seemed to have little to do with the archaeology apart from a tenuous link to a black drink in the Tain.

I know a story about Navan that involves Robin, wine and several "takes" :-) Tony always seemed very restrained, after all, as anchor man he needs to hold it together until the final bell, before collapsing gratefully on to grass.

About not showing drinking now; The pub scenes do reflect reality, and the bonhomie of any bunch of 'ologists out in the field is an example I'd really like youngsters to grasp.
It counters the kind of behaviour around mood altering substances that they generally go for among their own age group. If we ban images of people in pubs there's a lot of tv that will have to change....Corrie for one. We might end up, god forbid, like places in the USA and Canada where you get arrested if someone can look over your fence and see you drinking a beer in the privacy of your own back yard. Kids on the continent go out with their families to eat and see them drinking in a civilized way. It's good examples we need - not a re-enactment of the Prohibition. The TT pub scenes are totally tame. Unlike what happens later

It always occurred to me that the pub scenes were normal and quite logical: if you've been examining a site in the teeth of a force 10 gale + driving rain, where better to discuss the day's discoveries and plan for the following day's activities?

The most indulgent alcohoic episode that I can recall during my time with TT was, as has already been mentioned was at Navan although this was after filming proper had finished for the day. The villains of the piece were some of the local diggers who brought along (to the ceilidh) over-generous quantities of Isish poteen.

Other such scenes which stand out in the memory were Templecome (large amounts of wine and beer constantly topped up for reasons of continuity during retakes and scotch at Finlaggan and Govan,

Happy days!!

Is that really you come back to join your fans and friends on the forum?

If so, welcome back - we have missed both your presence here and on the programme.

As well as the pub scenes, I found Robin being caught having a crafty ciggy brought a grin to my face and gave the programme a human touch.

I am not advocating the filming of the Time Team Smoking Club, of course.

Fuss over nothing. Half of each episode of Corrie and Eastenders features pub scenes so why not the best Archi programme on TV.

Ah, Robin please come back. We need someone other than Stewart to shout "look at the Tithe map first".

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Unlike what happens later

What does happen later?

Are we still referring to TT?

If so one is consumed by curiosity!!

You should know by now Ann that Mandy is a mistress of innuendo. If she told us straight out what happened, it wouldn't be half as much fun! This way our imaginations can run riot with visions of decadence. Or at least yours can - I suffer very badly from common sense.

Welcome back, Robin!

Aye,welcome back mun.

Which episode had the Mansio with brewery attached .. Phil got all excited about ?Zyphos? beer.

Twas this one Steffan:-

Cheshunt

Thanks, Val. I had forgotten, it was poor old Peter Reynolds who told Phil about Zyphos. I'll have to look through the DVDs, I'm sure there's a bit of it on one of them. I can't remember what he said about this beer. Was it a British brew? I'm not having much luck with it on Google, but then I am probably spelling it wrong.

Robin, my favourite archivist.. welcome back!!

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Originally posted by Steffan:
Thanks, Val. I had forgotten, it was poor old Peter Reynolds who told Phil about Zyphos. I'll have to look through the DVDs

It was actually on on one of the Discovery Channels last weekend, that's how I remembered it so easily
Can't remember the details about Ziphos/Zyphos? tho', sorry.

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Originally posted by Steffan:
I remember Tony and Robin looking quite rosy cheeked at a farm near Navan. That seemed to have little to do with the archaeology apart from a tenuous link to a black drink in the Tain.

More pub scenes please.

Then there was Phil riding into the sunset, on the back of a horse drawn cart, with his pint of beer.
That was the episode on Lindisfarne, where they found the brewery.