Dammit! After all that, I missed it!

My son was installing a new operating system on my computer, which ended up taking all evening....

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Originally posted by Bruce:
Dammit! After all that, I missed it!

Video not working then Bruce ?
I may be able to help you out with a DVD, if you have a reasonably up to date DVD player, or DVD player on your PC.

I wish I'd seen your post yesterday, Bruce - I recorded over it last night!

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Originally posted by Plump Jack:
I posted outside this thread (sorry!), so just to reiterate, isn't the 'lyre' referred to in tonight's programme, being a localized variant of an instrument common to northern peoples of the time, an Anglo Saxon 'hearpa' (presumably 'harp')? This can't be just another attempt to use cosomopolitanism to undermine claims to a specifically Anglo Saxon culture, so any any information, since it is bound to be unbiased, would be very much appreciated.

I think it is technically (in modern terms) a lyre not a harp because the strings run parallel to the soundboard, rather than perpendicular.

However, as you say, the OE word for it is indeed "hearpa".

For further information, try googling "Christopher Page" with "hearpa" and see what you get. I know he did his PhD thesis on the subject, but not sure whether it was ever published.

Contrary to the write-up in 'Metro', I found the programme fascinating (particularly those old manuscripts) - but then it's fairly local to me.

When we went to see some of the finds in the museum last year we were surprised to see how small they were - particularly the crosses looked so big on the tV screen. Look forward to seeing the rest of the exhibits when they're eventually displayed.

By the way, haven't seen a 'kiss me quick' hat in years and we're not all braindead in that part of Essex, but the traffic is pretty bad at times!

Hazel

I'm intrigued to see that the finds are to be housed in Southend. It kind of makes a mockery of the British Museum's arguement that they can't give the finds from Sutton Hoo back to the purpose built and secure display environment there because they are of national importance and should be housed in London. Did the Museum of London experts not say that the Prittlewell finds were of 'national importance' too, and that this was a 'richer' burial than Sutton Hoo??? Why one rule for Essex and another for Suffolk?[/QUOTE]

well Southend-on-Sea Borough Council funded the initial evaluation, they turned out to be incredibly understanding as the enormity of the find came to light, and finally they are currently instigating a Southend Regeneration Scheme of which the Prittlewell finds will form a centrepiece in a purpose-built museum display. The BM were generous with their time and skills, but why should London get the 'glory' when the finds aren't from there? Southend deserves to keep the finds.

My thoughts entirely, keep the finds local. Let the MoL exhibit copies.
It’s a good job the BM didn’t get their hands on them, as they probably
wouldn’t have let them go again.

The thing that worries me, is that the council are talking about a museum on the seafront. Not a good
idea in my opinion.
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OOps, bit of a cock-up on the editing front there

I wonder if anyone else went to the talk at the museum, given by Liz Barham ?

Crap sound system aside, I thought it was very good.

Gaj, you've misunderstood the intent of my post entirely. I wasn't arguing that the Southend finds should be housed anywhere other than Southend - just pointing out the argument that if the Southend finds can be kept in Southend, despite being of national importance, why can't the Sutton Hoo finds be returned to Suffolk, where there is now a fantastic, secure display building? The wishes of the original owner of the Sutton Hoo land were that the finds should be displayed at the BM until suitable housing could be provided at the Sutton Hoo site itself. This display space is now there - but the BM won't give up the finds.

I saw the programme the other night and was gob smacked. When me and my daughter went to southend museum to see the finds from the dig, there where as would be expected alot of museum staff mulling around answering questions and talking you through where abouts in the chamber the finds where found. But one thing they all said was that it was highly unlikely that the British Museum or any other would actually want to house the finds and that it would be atleast another 5 yrs before we got them back down here. I think the best place to put the finds would be in Prittlewell Priory along with the other saxon finds that are in southend museum, then maybe they might start to search Priory Park aswell.

Thanks to Steve Platt for the info on Bling Bling.I didn't know what it meant, being one of the older generation and it put me off watching the programme which I now regret - didn't think it could possibly live up to expectations of a Luton Hoo quality burial.
Looking forward to Monday 20th though.
Pepinouska

Correction - Sutton Hoo -don't know why I put Luton!

Probably because there is some weird conspiracy theory that Sutton Hoo was flown in.

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Originally posted by Lesley:
Gaj, you've misunderstood the intent of my post entirely. I wasn't arguing that the Southend finds should be housed anywhere other than Southend - just pointing out the argument that if the Southend finds can be kept in Southend, despite being of national importance, why can't the Sutton Hoo finds be returned to Suffolk, where there is now a fantastic, secure display building? The wishes of the original owner of the Sutton Hoo land were that the finds should be displayed at the BM until suitable housing could be provided at the Sutton Hoo site itself. This display space is now there - but the BM won't give up the finds.

Sorry about that - I have a habit of doing that! I agree with everything you say there! Apologies again!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tetricus:
The thing that worries me, is that the council are talking about a museum on the seafront. Not a good idea in my opinion.

Why's that then? Worried that the people who go to the seafront might go into the museum and spoil it for you?

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Originally posted by Raedwald:

Why's that then? Worried that the people who go to the seafront might go into the museum and spoil it for you?

Nice one

Oh dear, children.

Anyway, Ian Blair (MOLAS) came to our local archy group last evening and gave a superb presentation, bang up to date, on the Prittlewell excavation. Tet - I'll tell you on Saturday.

Look forward to hearing the news

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Originally posted by Raedwald:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tetricus:
The thing that worries me, is that the council are talking about a museum on the seafront. Not a good idea in my opinion.

Why's that then? Worried that the people who go to the seafront might go into the museum and spoil it for you?

Well Exactly! I mean have you seensome of the people that frequent Southend seafront. Common as Muck the lot of them

Oi !

I stay away from the seafront as much as possible during the summer.
It's ok if you like the smell of hot dogs, burgers, beer etc. Much nicer out of season.

Does anyone have a copy of this programme on video?
I have just visited the site tonight, and there is now a protest camp set up there as the local council is going ahead with a road widening scheme which will destroy the site.

The swampies have been at Camp Bling for quite a while now. I think the council is ignoring them until it's time to start the work.
They'll probably go anyway if we get any really bad weather.

Are you local Penny ? I'm in Thundersley, dont have it on video but do have it on DVD. It was nice to see some local interest, but to be honest it wasn't a brilliant TT Special.

I wonder what the cost is going to be to local residents ?
http://www.savepriorypark.org/

what?

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Originally posted by Chris D:

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Originally posted by Raedwald:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tetricus:
The thing that worries me, is that the council are talking about a museum on the seafront. Not a good idea in my opinion.

Why's that then? Worried that the people who go to the seafront might go into the museum and spoil it for you?

Well Exactly! I mean have you seensome of the people that frequent Southend seafront. Common as Muck the lot of them

Who's Muck Exactly?