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Anyone unfamiliar with the origin of ‘Birkenhead Drill’ may be interested in the following information:
HMS Birkenhead, was one of the Royal Navy’s first iron ships built in Cammel Laird Birkenhead as a medium sized fighting unit, paddle driven.
Unfortunately, the Admiralty were reluctant to use the vessel as a frontline ship, fearing that the hull would split open at the first cannon ball!
In January 1852, under the command of Captain Robert Salmond, the Birkenhead left Portsmouth conveying troops and families to the Cape Frontier War or Kaffir War, in South Africa.
What eventually took place astounded the world with it’s discipline and bravery. Every soldier aboard was worthy of the Victoria Cross. However, there was a huge ‘cover up’ for the Captain who was responsible for the whole disaster. Examples - Sailing too close inshore on a uncharted but known dangerous seabed covered in outcrops. When holed and taking little water, the ship should have been left until daybreak, by which time the lifeboats could have been freed and one sent ashore (2 miles) for help. Under no circumstances being put ‘full astern’ thus tearing the bottom out and killing the Engineers. No Captain should have let the lowering gear be painted over and over. There should have been weekly lifeboat drill where any deficiency would have shown.
Lastly, to tell the men aboard to swim for the few boats with the women and children in, was unbelievable. Thank God the Colonel overruled him.
In my opinion, as someone who has sailed both professionally and as an amateur all his life. I believe the Captain should have been ‘Keel hauled’ had he lived.
His bad seamanship and total incompetence was responsible for the death of every man aboard.

The Loss of the Birkenhead

RIGHT on our flank the crimson sun went down,
The deep sea rolled around in dark repose,
When, like the wild shriek from some captured town,
A cry of women rose.
The stout ship Birkenhead lay hard and fast,
Caught, without hope, upon a hidden rock;
Her timbers thrilled as nerves, when through them passed
The spirit of that shock.
And ever like base cowards, who leave their ranks
In danger's hour, before the rush of steel,
Drifted away, disorderly, the planks
From underneath her keel.
Confusion spread,for, though the coast seemed near,
Sharks hovered thick along that white sea-brink.
The boats could hold? -- not all; and it was clear
She was about to sink.
"Out with those boats, and let us haste away,"
Cried one, "ere yet yon sea the bark devours."
The man thus clamoring was, I scarce need say,
No officer of ours.
We knew our duty better than to care
For such loose babblers, and made no reply,
Till our good colonel gave the word, and there
Formed us in line to die.
There rose no murmur from the ranks, no thought,
By shameful strength, unhonored life to seek;
Our post to quit we were not trained, nor taught
To trample down the weak.
So we made women with their children go,
The oars ply back again, and yet again;
Whilst, inch by inch, the drawning ship sank low,
Still under steadfast men.
What follows, why recall? The brave who died,
Died without flinching in the bloody surt;
They sleep as well, beneath that purple tide,
As others, under turf; --
They sleep as well, and, roused from thier wild grave,
Wearing their wounds like stars, shall rise again,
Joint-heirs with Christ, because they bled to save
His weak ones, not in vain.
If that day's work no clasp or medal mark,
If each proud heart no cross of bronze may press,
Nor cannon thunder loud from Tower and Park,
This feel we, none the less:
That those whom God's high grace there saved from ill --
Those also, left His martyrs in the bay --
Though not by siege, though not in battle, still
Full well had earned their pay.

Sir Francis Hastings Doyle

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On this day in 1549 Thomas Seymour, Lord High Admiral of England, executed for treason.
He was the younger brother of Jane seymour and the man who attempted to seduce young Elizabeth 1 and failed.

1852 US author Harriet Beecher Stowe's novel Uncle Tom's Cabin was published.

1996 The British government finally admitted that ` mad cow disease ´ could be passed on to humans who ate beef.

The 'Forces sweetheart' Vera Lynn, is 89 today.

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On this day in 1549 Thomas Seymour, Lord High Admiral of England, executed for treason.
He was the younger brother of Jane seymour and the man who attempted to seduce young Elizabeth 1 and failed.


Talking of herself, on this day, well actually tomorrow:

1603: Queen Elizabeth dies

After 44 years of rule, Queen Elizabeth I of England dies. The daughter of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn, Elizabeth succeeded to the throne in 1559 upon the death of her half-sister, Queen Mary. Domestically, she sought to resolve tensions between English Protestants and Catholics, and in foreign affairs strengthened England's allies while dividing her foes. In 1588, in a stunning military victory, she masterminded the repulsion of an invasion by the formidable Spanish Armada. She also encouraged voyages of discovery, such as Sir Francis Drake's circumnavigation of the world. The long reign of the Virgin Queen coincided with the flowering of the English Renaissance, associated with William Shakespeare and others. By her death in 1603, England had become a major power in every respect, and Elizabeth passed into history as one of England's greatest monarchs.

What a woman :-)
 
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I have just read that a headmistress in southern
England, is claiming one million pounds compensation from her council.
She claims that the chair they supplied her with was too hard and has resulted in her suffering from excessive flatulence! Eek

Another story is absolutely horrification.
Blacpool police have arrested and charged two men with the murder of a i4 year old girl. They say she was raped, murdered, cut up into small pieces and then served in kebabs in Blackpool. The report is too sick to comment!.

On this day in 1801 The British and Danish fleets met in the Battle of Copenhagen, during which Nelson put his telescope to his blind eye and ignored Admiral Parker's signal to stop fighting ; the British fleet won.

To-day, is the 66th birthday of actress Penelope Kieth.

Liverpool, the Wirral and Chester have joined forces for a St George two day event this year.

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I have just read that a headmistress in southern
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She claims that the chair they supplied her with was too hard and has resulted in her suffering from excessive flatulence! Eek


To be fair to her that is only a small part of the story. She is claiming that she was bullied by other staff over a couple of years and has had to retire through stress. Our wonderful media though of course just mention the chair that sounded like a whooppee cushion and make out that it is all about that! No idea if she is right or not, it is up to the tribuneral and the evidence presented.
 
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In British naval strategy, the odds against are mere numbers; Totally irrevellant. They are the enemy, so we attack.
This was the situation off Menorca. The Captains and crews prepared to fight,but the Admiral ordered them home. The men were shamed and believed that England and they, had been betrayed. Some of the Captains considered arresting the Admiral and stringing him from the yardarm.
Because of his inaction, Menorca was lost.
Upon arrival in England, all the ships officers lodged a formal complaint. With all the hue and cry, there was only one outcome. He had to die.

Ron.


Good article in the Newgate Calender about this incident:


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'I want the last cheque I write to bounce' - Carl Reiner, 'Oceans 12'
 
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http://www.exclassics.com/newgate/ng270.htm

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'I want the last cheque I write to bounce' - Carl Reiner, 'Oceans 12'
 
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This year, T J Hughes Ltd. Department stores in the North of England are pesenting a special St George gift package. It includes;- Passport covers, kitchen linen, crockery, table napkins, table cloths, electric chain lights,tie clips, cuff links, belt buckles,garden umbrellas, gazebos. mens and womens underwear, bracelets, rings, bed linen and mens and womens clothing items.

Tomorrow morning, I am off to a hotel in Abergele, North Wales, for an ex-shipmates re-union.
I am really enthusiastic about meeting some of my old shipmates again. Last year, we held it in a small brewery in Cheshire, with the result that none of us were too well the following week.
This should be more sedate. I believe that there should be sround 50 of us, but no wives!.We had planned a re-union in Bourbon St, New Orleans, But in the circumstances it was put on hold until the city has returned to normal.
I had a job there some weeks ago, and sadly it was like a ghost town. Bourbon St used to be shoulder to shoulder day or night, now hardly a dozen people can be seen. It is even possible to drive down the steet(a one way street) without a vehicle in front or behind.

Paul Daniels is 68 today.

Deaths
1199 Richard I, ` the Lion - Heart ´ , King of England.

1998 Tammy Wynette, US country music singer
 
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If anyone is in the vicinity of Nantwich, Cheshire between the 13th and 17th of this month, then you are invited to the International Blues and Jazz Festival.
With the exeption of the Civic Hall, all entertainment is free. A band in every pub(a lot of them) and entertainment in the square and all public places.
We had our old shipmates re-union. It was good to see everyone again. However, it was marred by the ridiculous rip off prices that the hotel charged for drinks, etc. This appears to be general in Britain. I stayed in a London hotel a few weeks ago, it was the same there. Rip off prices.
I am writing this from the "Rock Hotel" 5 star, in Gibraltar. Here, the prices are only a quarter of what we were charged in Wales or England. It definatly is cheaper to go abroad for re-unions.One of my ex shipmates is a Canadian and now owns a hotel in Vancouver BC. He has offered the hotel to us for next year 20% cheaper than Abergele. We have accepted his offer.
 
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The 'Union' flag, or as it is better known, the 'Union Jack', is 400 years old today.

Ron.
 
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and I forgot to buy a card..... Wink
 
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Just to cheer you up Ron
today, being Easter Sunday, we flew the cross of St. George from the church tower

and despite rumours that the church is dying -over 35 people met on the highest point of the hills near here at 5.30 this morning for a service, around 60 gathered at 8am for a traditional Prayers Book Service and around 200+ gathered at 10.00am for a Celebrating Common Prayer Communion. This included many young families complete with dads. Not bad for a village. And the bells rang loudly. Having had to wade through all the legislation of access, disclosure forms, noise abatement, townies demanding this and that etc, etc, we haven't lost yet!
 
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sorry Owen -it wasn't meant to be on 'winning' or changing someone's beliefs -it is just that after a year of this comunity losing its vicar, struggling to survive the various obligations and legalities that have arisen - fighting church and state, it was so nice to see such enthusiasm and happiness.

I don't believe in 'winning' anyone -I am just there if they want to discuss any aspect. We are all called in many different ways and they all make the whole -so I am sorry if I sounded triumphant -I was just happy to see so many others being happy on Easter Day.

and as for the flag -well I do get miffed that every other flag in creation can be flown except the English -I didn't used to feel that way until 'they' started stopping it. Have huge celebrations for St. Patrick's Day (and why not) but refuse to let anyone acknowledge St. George. ...but I am a product of the 60's give me a windmill and I will tilt -or at least sit down in protest!
 
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Ann,

I believe Owain was also responding to my thread which was 'wiped' as his has been.
I think it is about time we stood up to these little Hitlers with their schoolboy censoring and united in a boycott of this thread.
I left a 'writing' for you from
Gibralter. Did you see it before it was 'wiped;?
Owain, I am not a religious person, but I have my beliefs. However, I am neither experienced, qualified nor versed in the subject to answer your question. Better men than I have endeavoured to do so over the past 2,000 years.
Yet the answer could be quite simple, displayed and exampled by the censorship of our previous posts.

Ron.
 
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Quote; That will really worry the moderators.

I am so pleased that you were amused by the above.
Ever heard of 'People Power'?

Ron.
 
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I believe Owain was also responding to my thread which was 'wiped' as his has been.
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I was,I had mine taken off as it made no sense after yours 'went'.
 
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and as for the flag -well I do get miffed that every other flag in creation can be flown except the English -I didn't used to feel that way until 'they' started stopping it. Have huge celebrations for St. Patrick's Day (and why not) but refuse to let anyone acknowledge St. George. ...but I am a product of the 60's give me a windmill and I will tilt -or at least sit down in protest!


Believe it or not I got banned from an English based Camping and Caravanning forum for suggesting that English people ask their council if they can have St.G street parties Confused Confused
 
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Oh Owen -it reminds me of the Peter Sellers film -I'm Alright Jack' So bl...y ridiculous that you think it is farcical and couldn't realy happen!

Isn't it a pity that some people's lives are so empty that they have to resort to such pettifogging trifles to fill them. Tragic really when there are so many things of interest and meaning to get involved in.

I have to say that I wouild have put the Caravanning circle as the last in which such things cou;ld arise!
Just goes to show what lurks beneath the seemingly innocent breast! (or maybe breasts, some females are frighteningly serious when having empty lives)
 
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How would they know if you were boycotting the forum or had just run out of things to say?
 
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I don't know why 'they' get their knickers in such a twist -whatever happened to -'I disagree entirely with what you say but will defend your right to say it'

Unless it is incitement to murder then surely an arguement or repulsive point of view can be shot down with intelligent and logical opposition...

but then I am the product of the much maligned secondary school education -you know the one that one of our MPs get so churned up about -it might not have been a Grammar School but we were taught to question every statement not take it on trust and present our own point of view. Our political debates were great fun. These days -if you don't like it then ban it -says much for education doesn't it? How do you change hearts and minds like that?
 
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As always, intelligent statements and common sense from Ann
But to digress; Firstly,the moderators. A group of people emloyed by channel 4, given their instuctions and possibly allowed some leeway and discrection. In my case, if used, then deployed with the ability of a 'drunken duck'.
Secondly, channel 4 is a business, not a charity. This 'forum' is for the benefit of their business interests, not a private 'speak easy' soley for the benefit of 'fans'.
Furthemore, as somoene who has run a company internationaly for over 30 years, I can appreciate the values of this forum to a business such as channel 4.
Finally, would a block boycott be effective?.
I would argue -Yes-.
We, on this forum, are the hub of the viewers.
The 'feedback' from us is worth it's weight in gold to a public broadcasting company. Remember when they annouced the closure of this forum
without any warning?. They received an immidiate partial boycott wich made them change their minds rapidly. Though restored, the loss was ours with the departure of so many excellent contributers who are sadly missed, including Chris Walker,PhilB,Joanne and so many others, far too many to mention.
A successful programme reqires a good viewing audience, plus a 'per diem'feedback which is the fuel for future programmes. This is sat aquired from sources such as this,at practically no cost.
Steffan asks'would they be aware of a boycott'. They certainly would. If the forum 'died' with no response, it would not take long to alert the appropriate people.
Tragically, this all petains to the modern British God-'Money' Providing it is profitable, it remains. However, in justification to channel 4, without profit they do not survive.
Notwithstanding that,sensor extreme and insulting comments, plus bad language,but stop treating us like children with your undemocratic sensoring when not necessary.

Ron.
 
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Steffan asks'would they be aware of a boycott'. They certainly would. If the forum 'died' with no response, it would not take long to alert the appropriate people.

Ron.


But they wanted to close the forum down last year and there was a big hoo-ha about it and some went over to Co's place. Wouldn't a boycott just mean that the forum would be closed due to a lack of interest?
 
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Dew they only deleted Rons post(presumably because someone objected),they didn't murder Delia Smith....
 
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