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I bow to your superior knowledge Madoc I always thought it was the Romans.
Today, being a staunch royalist -as far as I am concerned the only thing that prevents a full blown dictatorship (and look what happened last time the monarchy was done away with -no christmas, no dancing, no theatres)and will
someone point out to the ignorant that we already have a first lady -she is called The Queen and probably doesn't spend £250 a day on hairdressing (I could visit my hairdresser for 28years with that overall amount)-
Happy Birthday to her Majesty.To those that will not wish her well I wish them neither.... whatever the song says or fill in the blanks I am off to find my flag.
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quote: Originally posted by MADOC:
They were introduced by the normans.
During Roman times there were only Hares.
Or were they? quote: Unearthing the ancestral rabbit
What did the Normans do for us? One traditional answer is bring rabbits. New evidence suggests that Romans might already have done this, a small animal being eaten in Norfolk as early as 50BC–100AD.
The European rabbit (Oryctolagus cuniculus), prized for its meat and skin, is assumed to have been introduced from the continent after 1066. They were reared in artificial warrens (often now called pillow mounds and marked by placenames such as "warren" and "coney"), and from the start were also a pest that ate young crops.
Claims have been made for the Romano-British rabbit, but it has been difficult to prove a burrowing animal to be as old as the feature in which its remains were found. Bones from an excavation at Thatcham, Berkshire, apparently sealed with early mesolithic artefacts some 10,000 years ago, were of a modern-sized rabbit and have been shown by radiocarbon dating to be recent.
Excavation in 2001 at Lynford, Norfolk, funded by Ayton Products in advance of quarrying, may have produced the definitive pre-Norman rabbit. Six bones were in a rubbish pit that also contained the only sherds of a local late iron age or early Roman pottery type, amongst extensive iron age settlement.
Recently studied by Simon Parfitt, Natural History Museum, the bones have fine cuts on them and two have their ends chopped off. "There is no doubt they are butchery remains", says Parfitt. Julie Curl, animal bone specialist and David Robertson, former project manager at the Norfolk Archaeological Unit, say the find is "of huge significance".
Two further rabbit bones have been found at Beddingham Roman villa, East Sussex. David Rudling, University of Sussex, says the bones were in late third century ad fill over a disused bath house. One bone is darkened by charcoal in the earth, and thus, says Rudling, unlikely to be intrusive. Parfitt says that at both sites the bones are from smaller rabbits of southern Mediterranean type, supporting Roman attributions.
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Logically -the Romans could well have introduced them because if the Normans had them they must have been in 'Normandy' and the Romans subdued that before moving on here. Am not sure when the vikings settled and became 'Normans' so I supposed they could have originated in Scandinavia (rabbits that is)
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Steffan, Not wishing to make a 'Rag doll' of this subject, I will conclude it rapidly. If a boycott resulted in the closure of this forum, channel 4 would lose most of we participants as viewers. Possibly, they would lose the visitor/viewer we get here, which runs into thousands. The rot would set in. Lost viewrs, lost money, ultimatly, lost programme. Therefore, it is in their interests to retain the forum. What Owain surmises is most probably what transpired. Someone practicing endogamy and the merits of the chastity belt read something in my post that was beyond them.Hence, button pressed-post gone!. What infuriated me was the fact that it was neither hostile to anyone. I commenced with an observatio on Christianity and then printed a writing by 'Seraglio' which I had copied from a gravestone in Trafalgar cemetary, Gibralter. These were for Ann's perusal. I then listed 'What happened on this day, with deaths of the famous, and concluded with noting it was Hayley Mills 60th birthday. All offansive stuff!.  Could it be they don't like Hayley Mills films?  In conclusion, I wish to join Ann in wishing the Queen 'A very Happy Birthday' I am also a Royalist. I have experieced the rest, and you can keep them. PS. Steffan, I read your Welsh forum on occassions, and I am always impressed with both the knowledge and intellect of all concerned. Congratulations to all of you. Ron. |
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Introductions to U.K as listed by countryside historian Oliver Rackman- IIOO-Rabbitt 1100-Fallow Deer 1125-Pheasent ...bit of red wine stock and some veg would good go nice with that lot  |
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Charles Wells independent brewers in Bedford have launched a petition to make St George's Day a Bank holiday. For further information click here Ron |
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Well am I right or am I wrong?
Romans or Normans?
The red wine has to have the right spices and oils to make it work. I take it the deer in the iron age were Red Deer then?
Just curiosity. Weren't pheasants a Roman import as well -the partridge being indiginous?
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Don't mean to be contentious Owain its just that I remember my father telling me -and possibly I read it in the old 'Romany' books - if anyone remembers them =G. Bramwell Evans -Romany of the BBC
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Have a good George's day. I'm crossing the border this afternoon and I hope to see some celebrations going on.
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A very happy 'St Georges Day' to everyone. In our village we are commencing the festivities with a 'Mardi-Gras type parade, which, ironically. ends at the 'Pub'.I have received my St George day cards and presents so I am in the 'party' mood. The sailing festivities then proceed with boats on both the rivers Dee and Mersey. At the end of the night, we are having a Hog cooked on a spit. To anyone not venturing out tonight, ITV are putting on a special 'Sharpe' film in St Georges honour at 9-00PM.  Ron. |
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As I understood it, the Romans brought rabbits over but not many & they didn't escape (at least enough to breed). They were then re-introduced in greater numbers by the Normans. Happy St Georges Day.
Eileen
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A belated Happy St George's Day to everyone (no, I still haven't got broadband at home so that's why I'm never on line at weekends!).
I'd be quite happy if they made it a Bank Holiday to replace the MayDay holiday - I don't think we need an extra day at this time of year and I see no reason why England shouldn't haven't it's own day to celebrate patriotism.
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quote: Originally posted by Jenni:
I'd be quite happy if they made it a Bank Holiday to replace the MayDay holiday - I don't think we need an extra day at this time of year and I see no reason why England shouldn't haven't it's own day to celebrate patriotism.
Celebrating May Day is a lot more traditional than St George's Day. St George's Day isn't even in May. Is St George's Day about celebrating patriotism? And why is May Day an extra day? There should be more Bank Holidays not less. My trip to England yesterday resulted in seeing absolutely no overt signs of St George celebrations apart from two small English flags at Castle Combe and I only heard one person wishing anyone a Happy St George's Day - and that was me! Make St George's Day a Public Holiday - on St George's Day and go out and celebrate your Englishness, but not at the expense of May Day which means many things to many people. |
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Well there were all sorts of parades and services going on
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Because the church does not hold a festival on a Sunday but defers it till the next day -in ecclesiastical circles St. George is celebrated today -as he was in my local church this morning.
May day has always been a bit iffy hasn'tit -Cromwell banned all mayday celebrations and I guess it was the Arts and Crafts movement and Cecil Sharpe's folk revival that brought it back on the calendar - now hijacked by the socialists into 'Labour Day'. Here we have a May Queen and morris dancing.
(Don't take that socialist bit as anything other than an observation I can produce impeccable socialist credentials on one side of the family -and impeccable true blue tory on the other, makes for very interesting political arguements!)
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Ann - the political connotation is one reason I'd be happy to see May Day go. Staffan - I feel we'd be more likely to get an "instead of" rather than "another" Bank Holiday.
If we're going to have an extra Bank Holiday, I'd rather it be Trafalgar Day or something later in the year to bridge the gap between August and Christmas, rather than having 5 days between early March (or whenever Easter falls!) and late May.
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May Day has been celebrated for millennia!!!
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quote: Originally posted by Jenni:
Ann - the political connotation is one reason I'd be happy to see May Day go. Staffan - I feel we'd be more likely to get an "instead of" rather than "another" Bank Holiday.
If we're going to have an extra Bank Holiday, I'd rather it be Trafalgar Day or something later in the year to bridge the gap between August and Christmas, rather than having 5 days between early March (or whenever Easter falls!) and late May.
Cant see you getting a day where people celebrate others being killed.Also what about St Davids Day as a Bank Holiday,only fair if you get St Georges Day off. |
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I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips, “Straining upon the start. The game's afoot: “Follow your spirit; and, upon this charge “Cry God for Harry , England and St George!” From Henry V , Act 3, Scene 1 Apart from St George cards, yesterday, I received a most unusual St George present from a friend. It was a St George 'Willy Warmer', made from wool, with the Cross Of St George going fore and aft!. It was about 12 inches long, so I have returned it for size correction It appears that 'Joke' shops on Merseyside have been selling them and doing a roaring trade I cannot speak for the rest of England, but in the North West, ie. Manchester,Liverpool, Chester, Nantwich etc, St George was celebrated extensively, apart from which, the weather was perfect and we enjoyed an excellent day. Ron. |
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Co, It is customary to send English friends St George Day cards(large selection with numerous designs on the front featurng the 'Cross Of St George' in various forms), also a present large or small. This year, amongst others, I have received a bottle of 'Appletons Jamaica Rum' and a years gift package for one of my favourite magazines. You ain't training 'em right, Co. Ron. |
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Radio 3 marked the occasion with a day of English music, from Thomas Tallis to Falnders and Swann with one of my favourtites, Vaughn-Williams Fifth, somewhere in between.
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quote: Originally posted by roger davies:
The ingratitude of it all! The Welsh get free entry to cadw sites on St David's Day. Isn't that enough largesse?
CADW membership now also available on the Tesco Clubcard voucher scheme too  |
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