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Great programme, great research on the archeological front... but incredibly poor understanding of the linguistic heritage of Britain.

After showing a school performing a play in Latin, you stated the Romans would have found it very difficult understanding English.

Not surprising... as English didn't exist at the time. The indigneous tongues in the British Isles were Celtic.

In the area you were investigating, the locals would have spoken Brythonic, the forefathers of Cornish, Welsh and Breton.

Why don't you make sure you take an interest in some of the cultural aspects that you can't dig for as well.

Go to Cornwall and find out about the nearest languages still alive.

http://www.cornish-language.org

Matthew
 
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No correction tonight then.

More affirmative action from the country that brought you the "Welsh not" and William Haig as Secrety of State for Wales.
Even that brief stab from Guy would have been better if he had said pont not pons.

Its a shame that the fact that many Welsh people will miss the program because of the whole S4C not channel 4 issue, or we might have enough of a fuss to make them at least make some kind of small appologetic comment.


Go he went, to put his foot where never before a foot was put.
 
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Excuse Me! English did exist at the time, not in Britian but in the Germanic language of the continental Angles, Saxons, Frisians and Jutes.
The roots of the English language are essentially Germanic.

That Latin teacher seemed misguided about why English shares words in common with Latin, which was initially the influence of Christian monks and the Bible, but mostly due to the hated Normans and their French lingo.
 
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Excuse Me! English did exist at the time, not in Britian but in the Germanic language of the continental Angles, Saxons, Frisians and Jutes.
The roots of the English language are essentially Germanic.

That Latin teacher seemed misguided about why English shares words in common with Latin, which was initially the influence of Christian monks and the Bible, but mostly due to the hated Normans and their French lingo.


The fact that the root of English was spoken in Germany (this does not make this language english, there are way too many differences) does not change the fact that it was NOT spoken in Britain at this time. The Welsh and Cornish languages are direct decendants of the Brythonic languages and there Welsh poems dating from the 6th century that can be read and understood by a modern Welsh speaker. Try that with tales such as Beowolf, that are roghly contempory. Unless you understand Anglo-Saxon you would have a hell of a job.

After all the fact that many of our languages derive from languages spoken in the Indus valley does not mean that we are speaking Hindi or that they spoke Welsh.
English as a language developed in the middle ages from a fusion of several language roots, a fact that gives it its richness and diversity.
Before you speak of the PC squad I would surgest you check out the history of the "Welsh not", I at times we seem to have a grudge about the language there is a reason.


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The fact that the root of English was spoken in Germany (this does not make this language english, there are way too many differences) does not change the fact that it was NOT spoken in Britain at this time.


Is there documentary evidence to support this, if so can we vouch for it’s accuracy ?
Considering that we can’t seem to agree on whether or not the Romans actually invaded in 43AD


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Since I'm as passionate about my English roots as you are about yours it shouldn't surprise you that I've taken the time to study Old English so I know full well that it appears quite different from modern English. That said, it's not so unrecognisable from modern English as you would suggest. I've studied German and Swedish too, so I can recognise more readily the similarities of these essentially Germanic languages. I never suggested that English as we know it today existed back then. (perhaps I should have made that clear ... well I'm doing it now) Nevertheless the languages that gave birth to it did. Yes and I'm aware of the Indo-European roots of most European languages. As for the PC squad, well I make no apologies for my feelings about them. The politics of revenge will destroy us all.
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Originally posted by Germanist:
Excuse Me! English did exist at the time, not in Britian but in the Germanic language of the continental Angles, Saxons, Frisians and Jutes.
The roots of the English language are essentially Germanic.

That Latin teacher seemed misguided about why English shares words in common with Latin, which was initially the influence of Christian monks and the Bible, but mostly due to the hated Normans and their French lingo.


The fact that the root of English was spoken in Germany (this does not make this language english, there are way too many differences) does not change the fact that it was NOT spoken in Britain at this time. The Welsh and Cornish languages are direct decendants of the Brythonic languages and there Welsh poems dating from the 6th century that can be read and understood by a modern Welsh speaker. Try that with tales such as Beowolf, that are roghly contempory. Unless you understand Anglo-Saxon you would have a hell of a job.

After all the fact that many of our languages derive from languages spoken in the Indus valley does not mean that we are speaking Hindi or that they spoke Welsh.
English as a language developed in the middle ages from a fusion of several language roots, a fact that gives it its richness and diversity.
Before you speak of the PC squad I would surgest you check out the history of the "Welsh not", I at times we seem to have a grudge about the language there is a reason.
 
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i dont think this thread is about English but historical inaccuracy. THere were tribes at the time whose language had a root common with english but these were on the roman frontiers with what is present day germany.
 
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The closest relatives to Old English is Frisian and the "plattdeutsch" variants of Northern Germany ("Old English and it's Closest Relatives: A Survey of the Earliest Germanic Languages" by Orrin W. Robinson, Routledge 1992)
 
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