Well? Please feel free to ignore this, but I thought it might be easier for someone to take the bull by the horns. Democracy is all well and good, but it involves a lot of faffing about.
quote:Originally posted by Steffan: Just to show that I didn't mean to exclude our Demetae neighbours, here's a link to a news item in their neck of the woods.
Knickers to the Demetae, I want to know how much of west Gloucestershire we can have in the region of siluria?
It is from wales but I dont know how recent, I shall do my best to correct it but I dont think that is possible somehow.. All of the posts in reply to him are condeming btw.
Anybody heard anything on this?
An attempt at correction..(frankly I am amazed that they found the roman roof timbers..)
The people I'm referring to are mainly the archaeologists and governing bodies. A friend of mine unearthed a roman villa some time ago. You can imagine how chuffed they were until one of the group decided to mouth off to other mates about the discovery, then came the bombshell before they could unearth the true potential as to what they had found. Bang the powers that be stepped in, after the boys had unearthed sections of a mosaic floor, removing the fallen roof timbers from around. They were in a way told to leave the site with a few of their finds and more or less told not to return.the area has been recovered by the powers until such time they get the funding to excavate, what Im trying to get over is, over the years these people with their pieces of paper saying that they are informing the people of this country how history become in the making is like ......bla bla bla, if it wasn't for detectorists spending their time and hours, come rain hail or shine in discovering these such prime sites, we would be behind by many years especially instead letting these lads clear the site to the point of, the powers expertise can come into play in the relocation and delicate lifting of what remains it stays buried under lots of soil again what should be done is the boys or lads should be paid by this government some sort of finders fee because if it wasn't for their dedication it would have never even been discovered and most of all of you out there, if you dont want to be in a similar situation as them keep shtum and vet your so called mates as their mate cost them a hell of a lot. In fact its what we call amongst ourselves as :THE GREAT ROMAN-VILLA RIP OFF. The lads names are TOM, DICK AND HARRY. We have changed them to protect their identity and this message is of my own doing going on information received and the location of the site is withheld but believe me it does exist and the way its being dealt with stinks.
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the ppl im refering to are mainly the archi,logi,s ,and governing bodies,friend of mine unearthed a roman villa some time ago you can imagine how chuffed they were,until one of the group decided to mouth off to other m8s about the disscovery,then came the bombshell,before they could unearth the true potential as to what they had found.bang the powers that be steps in,after the boys had unearthed sections of a mousaiac floor,removing the fallen roof timbers from around they were in a way told to leave the site with a few of thier finds and more or less told not to return.the area has been recovered by the powers untill such time they get the funding to excuvate,what im trying to get over is over the yrs these ppl with thier pieces of paper saying that they areinforming the ppl of this country how history become in the makingis like ......blau blau blau,if it wasnt for detectorists spending thier time and hrs,come rain hail or shine in discovering these such prime sites.we would be behind by many yrs,especially instead letting these lads clear the site to the point of,the powers expertize can come into play in the relocation and delicate lifting of what remains it stays buiried under lots of soil agin what should be done is the boys or lads should be paid by this government some sort of finders fee because if it wasnt for thier dedication it would have never even been discovered and most of all of you out there,if you dont want to be in a simular sittuation as them keep shtume,and vet your so called m8s as thier m8 cost them a hell of a lot.in fact its what we call amoungst ourselves as :THE GREAT ROMAN-VILLA RIP OFF. the lads names are TOM,DICK, AND HARRY.we have changed them to protect thier identity and this message is of my own doing,going on information recieved and the location of the site is withheld but believe me it does exist,and the way its being delt with stinks
Sounds like it could be the villa site near Langstone. Treasure Hunters who were using a JCB to take up a mosaic floor which they intended to sell. One of them was a police officer, I believe.
quote:Originally posted by Steffan: Just to show that I didn't mean to exclude our Demetae neighbours, here's a link to a news item in their neck of the woods.
Knickers to the Demetae, I want to know how much of west Gloucestershire we can have in the region of siluria?
The Forest of Dean? While we're at it I think we should put in a claim for Ergyng too.
quote:Originally posted by Steffan: Sounds like it could be the villa site near Langstone. Treasure Hunters who were using a JCB to take up a mosaic floor which they intended to sell. One of them was a police officer, I believe.
Is that Karl Langford James' site? Or at least the one that gets him rather irate every now and again on britarch?
quote:Originally posted by D: Is that Karl Langford James' site? Or at least the one that gets him rather irate every now and again on britarch
That's the one. It was this that launcked him on his anti-detectorist crusade. I would imagine that it is he to whom they refer as "one of the group decided to mouth off to other m8s about the disscovery"
quote:Originally posted by Steffan: The Forest of Dean? While we're at it I think we should put in a claim for Ergyng too.
I thought we already had that part but the more the merrier!
Ergyng was annexed and added to Herefordshire with the Act of Union.
As for the FoD; "However, relatively few Dobunnic coins have been found in the Forest of Dean and even smaller numbers in Gwent, with the main concentrations lying to the east of the River Severn: a distribution which suggests that Silurian territory could have extended into the Forest of Dean, perhaps even as far as the Severn Valley itself."
So sez W H Manning "The Romans: Conquest and the Army". page 178 of the Gwent County History Vol. I
Roger- Who is the 'local expert' on the levels, and have you any idea how a member of the public could contact him? You metioned him before when a worked tree stump I was 'looking at'vanished overnight,and now I cannot find your thread.
quote:Originally posted by Steffan: As for the FoD; "However, relatively few Dobunnic coins have been found in the Forest of Dean and even smaller numbers in Gwent, with the main concentrations lying to the east of the River Severn: a distribution which suggests that Silurian territory could have extended into the Forest of Dean, perhaps even as far as the Severn Valley itself."
So sez W H Manning "The Romans: Conquest and the Army". page 178 of the Gwent County History Vol. I
I had read that before, probaly in Arnold and Davies. I still havent ordered a copy of GCH, I wonder if Caerleon Museum sells copies?
Anyway on a similar note I always found this tit bit interesting.
quote:Silurian hill forts have several distinctive elements. They are usually smaller than their English or continental counterparts. One feature is that there was a preference for turning the ends of the ramparts inwards to form a funnel leading to a gate.As attackers approached this was easier to attack them with slings and spears from the ramparts.
A particularly significant site is the Twyn y Gaer hill fort near Symonds Yat. The site began as a Decangian* fort but it was later modified to the silurian pattern , as the size of the fort was reduced and the gateway ramparts were rebuilt to create the Silurian funnel effect. It is likely that Twyn y Gaer demonsrates Silurian expansion at the expense of the Decangi.
*Stanford. The identification of the Herefordshire tribe as Decangi is not universally accepted.
Thats from Howells history of Gwent, has he expanded (updated) on that at all in the new book?
quote:Originally posted by roger davies: For those with tv aerials pointed to the Mendip transmitter. A programme on this find will be broadcast on HTV West tonight at 19:30 hrs
quote:Originally posted by Steffan: That's the one. It was this that launcked him on his anti-detectorist crusade. I would imagine that it is he to whom they refer as _"one of the group decided to mouth off to other m8s about the disscovery"_
I read a CBA press cutting the other night that mentioned him not being qualified, has that changed yet?
quote:Originally posted by roger davies: It was postponed a week - HTV had coverage of the flooding at Boscastle instead.
Whats up with your use of the quote feature Roger?
I may get a chance to get it recorded then but I am not sure when my brother is back from Athens. The magnets are after the outskirts of that site btw.
quote:Originally posted by D: Anyway on a similar note I always found this tit bit interesting.
quote:The site began as a Decangian* fort but it was later modified to the silurian pattern , as the size of the fort was reduced and the gateway ramparts were rebuilt to create the Silurian funnel effect. It is likely that Twyn y Gaer demonsrates Silurian expansion at the expense of the Decangi. *Stanford. The identification of the Herefordshire tribe as Decangi is not universally accepted.
Thats from Howells history of Gwent, has he expanded (updated) on that at all in the new book?
Stanford's bleedin' well right and I'd say that Ray has probably reviewed his idea on this. Having said that, the archaeology does show a process of change, but this may not be necessarily a change in population.
In the GCH, the relevant chapter is co-written by Ray and Josh Pollard. On p. 146 they turn the idea around a little: "A late construction phase at Twyn-y-Gaer in northern Gwent may suggest not only continuing occupation but also territorial expansion by the Silures".
