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Originally posted by BeetleGirl:

Anyway, I seem to remember that the foundations of the theatre had already been driven through the Newport ship before it was actually 'found' by the archaeologists.

One pile - not the foundations. Very little damage was done.

That would depend on your definition of 'very little damage'...

It means very little damage was done by the piling operations. A significant amount was done after the boat was abandoned in the mediaeval period.

I seem to remember more than 1 pile, it was more like 5 or 6.

Also, if a pile isn't part of a foundation, then I don't know what it is.

You visited the site during the works - for how long?

1. I was texted the day they found the ship.
2. I know at least five people that worked on the Newport ship, all of whom are close personal friends. Ironically, one of them is a Dutch lady with a passion for maritime archaeology.
3. I saw the ship during the ex. on more than one occassion.
4. I was working on an ex., also based in Newport, during the ship ex. and was part of the 'Save our Ship' vigil.

It's fair to say 'I was there'.

I visited the site at least twice and had lengthy discussions with Gareth Dowdell - before his 'fall from grace' - and have also attended presentations of the work.

Your involvement means that you should be able to distinguish between displacement of timbers (by sheeting etc) and the damage caused by one of the piles.

I don't remember that being the issue...

Displacement is the word that crops up frequently in the reports.

As to damage, GGAT comment:

The port side of the vessel was roughly in its original position, but the starboard side had collapsed outwards in antiquity.

Marks on the upstanding timbers showed that after this collapse, the uppermost parts of both sides had been chopped off, possibly to allow re-use of the site. The starboard side had already collapsed outwards by this time, and as a result almost twice as much of this side of the ship survives.

Time out! This was about foundations in 2002! Not Medieval damage!!

You may recall that in an earlier post I said:

"It means very little damage was done by the piling operations. A significant amount was done after the boat was abandoned in the mediaeval period."

I thought that quoting the GGAT statement might lend support to the view I expressed.

As said, this is about damage as a result of MODERN actvity e.g. dendrochronological sample acquisition/constrution techniques. I believe that was what the thread was about, not the Medieval damage to the Newport Ship! Do you have to have the last word or something? Its just like the heated debates of the 'old days', without the heat or debatable topic! I must say, I'm very much enjoying it, hope everyone else is enjoying it as much as I!

Tis odd I have a memory of more than one pile being driven through.

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Originally posted by BeetleGirl:
As said, this is about damage as a result of MODERN actvity e.g. dendrochronological sample acquisition/constrution techniques. I believe that was what the thread was about, not the Medieval damage to the Newport Ship! Do you have to have the last word or something? Its just like the heated debates of the 'old days', without the heat or debatable topic! I must say, I'm very much enjoying it, hope everyone else is enjoying it as much as I!

I think it was you who raised the subject of the Newport ship on this thread?

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Originally posted by AJ ap Hywel:
Tis odd I have a memory of more than one pile being driven through.

Yep quite a few
http://www.thenewportship.com/ship/index.html

Thank you, I KNEW there was more than one pile. Clearly Roger, you do have to have the last word. Occassionally in life, there are people that know more about things than you may think they do.

Deuce

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Originally posted by hopski:

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Originally posted by AJ ap Hywel:
Tis odd I have a memory of more than one pile being driven through.

Yep quite a few
http://www.thenewportship.com/ship/index.html

The number of piles is not the issue. It is the number of piles what caused 'damage' - my understanding of what I saw on site, what I have heard from those involved in the work and what I have read in largely unpublished reports is that one caused damage though clearly everyone seems to differ on what constitutes damage.

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Originally posted by hopski:
Deuce

Oh. I had no idea this was a competition or game. Do, please, publish the rules.

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Originally posted by roger davies:

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Originally posted by hopski:
Deuce

Oh. I had no idea this was a competition or game. Do, please, publish the rules.

No need Rog, I can't find any in the T+C's of this forum.

12 piles in total.

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Originally posted by BeetleGirl:
12 piles in total.

I did not watch the programme but I'm told that there were no piles in, on or around the Roman barge.

There were 12 piles in the NEWPORT SHIP. No I do not have a reference and nor have I read any of the GGAT or Oxford Arch reports.

I know nothing this barge you talk of, I didn't even see that particular episode!