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Thread: Thornborough a top 100 Icon of England.

http://www.oldwells.co.uk/stuff/listen/listen.html

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Hi Roger,

We'll just have to wait and see how things go. Last week there was a mentioning of the appeal in a news article. posted by Ocifant on TMA - latest news.

"Tarmac plans rejected - though they may still appeal...

Campaigners are rejoicing after controversial plans to extend a quarry near an ancient monument in North Yorkshire were rejected by councillors."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/4734994.stm
 
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From today's Northern Echo.....




Battle goes on for the 'Stonehenge of North'
by Joe Willis

THE battle over a 5,000-year-old monument labelled the Stonehenge of the North took a new turn last night after construction company Tarmac said it would contest a ruling preventing it extending a quarry.

Campaigners were delighted when North Yorkshire county councillors threw out a proposed extension to Nosterfield Quarry, near Masham.

The extension would have been about 700 metres from the Neolithic man-made circles known as Thornborough Henges.

The company claims the monument would not be damaged.

The campaigners say the development would destroy important elements of the earthworks and hailed yesterday's decision as common sense.

But Tarmac said last night it would launch an immediate appeal. Earlier this week, it warned that jobs could be at risk if the extension did not go ahead. The site has only two years life left.

Members of North Yorkshire County Council's planning committee threw out Tarmac's application after English Heritage declared that the fields at Ladybridge Farm were of national importance.

About 100 people - including quarry workers and campaigners against the extension - attended a public meeting at Masham Town Hall yesterday.

Dr Jan Harding, senior lecturer in archaeology at Newcastle University, spoke out against the application.

He said the site contained evidence of more than 200 encampments left by Neolithic man, which were probably used while visiting the henges to worship.

After the meeting, Dr Harding said: "I'm delighted and relieved. This was the right decision for archaeology, for the local community and for the local economy.

"I would applaud the planning inquiry for being so thorough and coming to the decision it did."

Elizabeth Barclay, from the Yorkshire and Humber branch of the Green Party, said: "I'm delighted with the decision. It was a victory for common sense."

George Chaplin, chairman of campaign group Timewatch, which collected more than 10,000 signatures for a petition against the scheme, said: "I'm very pleased. I'm not overly excited because I'm aware that Tarmac intend to appeal, and a significant proportion of planning applications go through on appeal.

"But it's very good news, and a positive step forward as far as we are concerned.

"Ideally, we think that Tarmac should not quarry this area at all, but they seem to be extremely determined."

Tarmac estates officer Bob Nicholson said: "We are deeply disappointed at this decision, which threatens the livelihoods of more than 50 people and has serious implications in respect of the supply of sand and gravel to the construction industry.

"We will appeal against the decision because we believe that the advice given by English Heritage is based on speculation and supposition about the status of archaeology at Ladybridge, and their assertion of national importance is not supported by fact."

Mr Nicholson said the extension posed no threat to the henges and accused campaigners of releasing misleading statements.

Quarry bosses say a recent survey of the extension site had found nothing more than a bucketful of broken pottery and flint.

At the meeting, archaeologist Mike Griffiths, who conducted the study, argued that much of the archaeology had already been damaged or destroyed through centuries of ploughing.

He said the site was of local and regional importance - but not of national.

But county council officers, who supported the view of English Heritage, said the application was contrary to the North Yorkshire Minerals Local Plan.
 
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Hi Roger,

I must admit that I'm not very up to date on appeals. Any suggestions down this end are welcome.

Joanne.
 
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HENGES campaigners are calling for more protection to ge given to the ancient site at Thornborough, north of Ripon, after quarry giant Tarmac announced it would challenge a decision blocking its expansion plans.
At a meeting in Masham on Tuesday, North Yorkshire County Council’s planning committee voted 6 - 3 to reject Tarmac’s controversial proposal to quarry 112 acres at Ladybridge Farm, close to the 5,000 year old henges.

The committee ruled against the application for an extension of the existing Nosterfield Quarry, saying it went against the county’s mineral local plan regarding location, scale and the adverse impact it would have on “nationally important archaeological remains”.

But before anti-quarry campaigners had time to celebrate their victory, Tarmac announced it would be appealing against the decision.

The firm’s estates manager, Bob Nicholson, said after the meeting: “We are deeply disappointed at this decision, which threatens the livelihoods of more than 50 people and has serious implications in respect of the supply of sand and gravel to the construction industry.

“We will appeal against this decision because we believe that the advice given by English Heritage is based on speculation and supposition about the status of archaeology at Ladybridge and their assertion of national importance is not supported by factual evidence.”

In response to the continued threat of quarrying near the henges, heritage action group TimeWatch has called for the recently proposed Thornborough Henges conservation plan to be radically redrafted to reflect the importance of the area.

Spokesman George Chaplin said: “The threat of quarrying has not been removed by the planning refusal but it has given time to take stock and for everyone to agree upon the best future for the whole area.”

The Timewatch proposals are for:

l a much wider “no quarry zone” extending at least a mile radius from the central monuments

l the preservation of all archaeology within the zone to be the top priority

Mr Chaplin said: “Tarmac have not given up in their ambition to extend the existing quarry.

They intend to appeal against the refusal and the danger remains very real for the whole of the remaining surroundings.

“Tarmac’s reaction to Tuesday’s defeat and its insistence that English Heritage is wrong, should be seen as a warning to us all.”

Extensive archaeological excavations at Ladybridge led English Heritage to oppose any further quarrying in the area because because it was a site of national importance.

But Mr Nicholson insisted: “Our proposal for Ladybridge, which actually moves quarrying further away from the henges than our current operation, poses absolutely no threat to the ancient monument, which is protected by law.

“We maintain that our application is both justified and reasonable and we will mount a robust case for its approval at appeal, when we hope that factual evidence will prevail over mythical invention.”

Tarmac’s application had been hugely controversial, with anti-quarry campaigners winning international support to safeguard the setting of an ancient monument that has been named ‘The Stonehenge of the North’.

County Coun John Fletcher, who chaired Tuesday’s planning meeting, said: “This was a hard decision to reach, but the committee gave full consideration to the well articulated arguments from both sides before coming to their conclusion.”

Yorkshire Euro-MP, Edward McMillan-Scott, who visited Thornborough last year, said he was delighted with the council’s refusal of planning permission.

"This is the right decision,” he said “The henges are an enormously important site of international significance. The site deserves a visitor centre and the attention which Stonehenge receives. I am delighted and relieved and I pay tribute to the local campaigners for the henges who are a model action group."


http://www.ripontoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=18&ArticleID=1365226
 
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Latest newsarticle on Thornborough.

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"Theme park creator's plan to make henges a tourist draw
THE man who created Lightwater Valley theme park wants to turn the ancient Thornborough Henges into a tourist attraction."

George Chaplain, of heritage campaign group, TimeWatch, who was at Wednesday’s meeting, said: "Mr Staveley's proposals were not quite as frightening as they could have been."


http://www.ripontoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=18&ArticleID=1372918

WWW.TimeWatch.org
 
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Zahi inveals the latest find from HisThe Valley of the Kings

Egypt Today
 
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another site in safe hands then...
 
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Zahi reveals the latest find from HisThe Valley of the Kings

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Zahi reveals the latest find from HisThe Valley of the Kings

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Spot on Katee. It's a wonder they didn't hold a raffle to see who open the coffins.
 
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Stewart cashes in on TT success

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Plan for henges under fire from quarry firm

THE row over the Thornborough Henges continues after English Heritage outlined its views for a 'management zone' around the prehistoric site.
The national conservation group believes that an area about threequarters of a mile around the henges near Ripon should be included in a protected 'management zone'.

The zone would include Nosterfield Nature Reserve and village, half of Ladybridge Farm, areas which have already been quarried and down to the edge of the River Ure. The zone skirts around the edge of Thornborough village and West Tanfield.

English Heritage say that farmers whose land falls inside the zone should be entitled to subsidies if they agree not to farm the land.

Their proposals – which were outlined at a public meeting at West Tanfield last week – came in response to North Yorkshire County Council's draft management plan for the future of the henges.
10 March 2006

http://www.nidderdaletoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?Sect...18&ArticleID=1381593

info:
www.timewatch.org
 
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Thanks Roger, sorry I hadn't noticed it had already been posted.
 
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Hi Hopsky, thanks.
 
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Hi Jo.


Interesting theory about the history of Easter Island. Makes sense to me.

Yahoo.news
 
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Hi Hopsky, nice read. Smile
 
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TIMEWATCH.ORG PRESS RELEASE - 14/03/2006

Thornborough Complex proclaimed "world Heritage Class" by English
Heritage.

The newly rediscovered internationally important ancient monument
complex at Thornborough in North Yorkshire has been proclaimed to be
of "World Heritage Class" by the UK's culture watchdog English Heritage.

The comments were revealed in the minutes of the English Heritage
Advisory Committee EHAC and they show that the organisation is as
convinced as many members of the British public that Thornborough is
an exceptional site of international importance that deserves better
protection.

From the minutes:

"Thornborough is one of the top ten prehistoric landscapes in the
country."

"The site and its wider landscape are of world heritage class, in the
top league of prehistoric landscapes."

The statements are included within the minutes for February 2006,
these are available online:

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/upload/pdf/EHAC_Minutes_Feb06.pdf

The comments come at a time when Thornborough is only just breaking
into the national conscience. The site is claimed to have been
Britain's largest prehistoric ritual gathering place attracting
possibly thousands of Neolithic people into the area some 5,500 years ago.

Newcastle University last month confirmed that the site was possibly
the first major monument in the world aligned to the constellation
Orion up to 1,000 years before the star gazing Egyptians built the
Great Pyramids of Giza.

Campaign groups such as TimeWatch, Heritage Action and friends of
Thornborough have been fighting for the Thornborough Complex to get
the protection it deserves; for an end to the quarrying that has been
laying waste to its prime archaeology zone.

TimeWatch Chairman George Chaplin has been a central figure in the
campaign since it started in 2003 "This place may well have been
religions equivalent of Glastonbury Festival, but in the Stone Age and
involving a much greater proportion of the nations population" he
said. "Much of the more informative archaeology comes from the places
where these peoples were living and being buried these areas can be
more than 700m away and are massive. For example the camp on
Ladybridge was possibly 45 acres in extent."

Ladybridge has been the focus of a recent quarrying application.
Tarmac Northern Ltd has applied to quarry over 100 acres of land
right on top of possibly Britain's largest Neolithic settlement.

Thankfully, the application was turned down by North Yorkshire County
Council, but Tarmac has said it will appeal.

Thornborough Henges has been riding at number one in the Ministry of
Culture sponsored "Icon of England" poll having won the hearts of a
number of regular poll voters.

Tarmac are hoping that Thornborough's three 240 earth circles and the
theories of archaeologists will fail to strike the imagination of the
public, but there is every indication this is not the case.

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Info:
www.timewatch.org
 
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Information is now available on York Archaeological Trust's 2006 summer training dig. The dig is going to be in Dean's Park, York Minster and sounds very promising. As usual there are various opportunities to get involved, from "taster" days to 1 or 2 week trainee places. The dig will be open for viewing by the general public on a daily basis throughout the season, with tour guides on hand.

See here for more information
http://www.yorkarchaeology.co.uk/live2006/liveframeset2.htm
 
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History hunter helps save iron age gem

From the North Wales Chronicle
17/3/06

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An ancient settlement in Gwynedd is being saved for posterity thanks to the detective work of a solicitor turned history hunter.

Kelvin Dent, the Clerk to the North Wales Police Authority, is a passionate amateur archaeologist in his spare time,

He rekindled his love of archaeology when he embarked on a GCSE course in the subject.

And while researching a project, which helped him achieve an A grade, Kelvin re-discovered an Iron Age settlement.

The location, between Bangor and Caernarfon, is being kept secret for fear it will be invaded by trophy hunters armed with metal detectors before it can be given statutory protection. Kelvin, aged 55, who lives in Bangor, said: “I absolutely loved doing the course. It was two hours every Wednesday evening and the tome used to just fly by.

It was so interesting because we were talking about bumps and hollows in the ground but in a more scientific way than I was used to looking at them.They were a grand bunch of people and the tutor, Julie Ellis, was wonderful. She inspired all of us and filled us with enthusias.

The site that I chose is one that I used to pass every day on the way to work. I used to look across the field and see what appeared to be a circle of bumps

I thought it looked really interesting and I was convinced it was an old site. I never bothered to do anything about it but the project was the catalyst to do more research into it.”

He managed to track down the owner who gave permission to go on site in order to do drawings, take photographs and measurements.

It became clear that this was an Iron Age settlement, occupied by the Celts several centuries BCE and it was a defended settlement, hence the bumps which were the ramparts around it.

It is a relatively small site, probably the size of a football pitch. It's circular and has a channel or a moat around it.

It would have had embankment all around it and the entrance would probably have been built up a bit more than the rest.

“There's evidence of a rectangular stone hut in the middle of the site for shelter. There would have been enough room for the stock to be taken in at night so they wouldn't be eaten by animals or stolen by rustlers.

I suppose the stone building would have had a roof of some sort and might have had one or two extended families living there.

I wrote to CADW because the site was being eroded, not deliberately but because livestock was walking all over it. I asked them to do something about it - either acquire it or schedule it as an ancient monument.

They wrote back and said they'd recently had some funding to carry out work in relation to Iron Age Defended Settlements such as this.

It was their intention to do a survey of it and, hopefully, they'll take it into management with an agreement with the landowner.”

He went on:

“That would mean them putting up a sign to say what it is and make sure that it remains as part of our heritage in North Wales.

I am absolutely delighted. To have it recognised as an Iron Age site and have them say they were going to do something about it was absolutely wonderful.

I felt that as a result not only was I doing a project which helped the GCSE but I was also achieving something constructive as well.

What's even more exciting about this site is that local people are convinced the site has Roman connections.

I just wonder whether the Romans who had a road going from Caerhun across the mountains to Segontium, which passes near this site, might have taken the site over and built a wooden watchtower so they could keep a look out on the road.

We're in the realms of speculation which makes archaeology so exciting but if we can establish that it's a Defended Iron Age site with Roman connections, that would be jackpot day."

Anything connected with the Romans is really tasty and we'd have Tony Robinson with his Time Team here tomorrow.”
 
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Language like that is unexpected, uncalled for and completely out of place here.
 
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